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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
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    What I can do with is cores. 32 cores 64 threads should cover me in terms of Max rendering (it's a big part of my stuff), because video/photo editing runs fine on 6c/12t 4930k as it is.

    I took into consideration a render farm, a good workstation is cheaper and more power efficient. Gaming is secondary.
    Jesus Titty Fucking Christ.

    Get a Threadripper then if you absolutely need that much power. Though I seriously wonder what for. I mean you aren't a youtuber otherwise you would have posted that. Do you do porn with great production value?
    I did write about it a long time ago. Been working a while on stuff that piled up but didn't really do anything with the assets. That will hopefully change soon
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    Neither porn editing or YouTubing would require much in the way of Max rendering, unless hes making niche content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
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    What I can do with is cores. 32 cores 64 threads should cover me in terms of Max rendering (it's a big part of my stuff), because video/photo editing runs fine on 6c/12t 4930k as it is.

    I took into consideration a render farm, a good workstation is cheaper and more power efficient. Gaming is secondary.
    If you're so set on that then idk where the Intel comparison even came in in the first post.

    Also weren't you a doctor? What kind of professional tier enterprise you running there exactly?
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    Obviously CGI porn

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    Mind this is all cause of that first post being somehow surprised professional level hardware is expensive.

    Seems to me like you just want top of the line for reasons and are trying to find excuses to get them.

    Struggling to see what a non dedicated professional would have for anything above a top tier ryzen in this case.

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    Who cares, its just money. For some a lot, for other not so much.
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    Well there are use cases where the 10980xe makes sense given a certain budget. Cheapest mobo + cpu being roughly 17 000 sek. That's almost what the significantly faster Threadripper 3960 costs without a mobo. So if that is your upper limit and you're using apps that favour the 10980xe over the AM4 platform Ryzen 9 3950, go for the Intel.

    Just make sure your use cases are the ones that perform better, the 3950X and a good mobo sets you back 13 000 sek and it's on par or better for plenty of apps as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    Who cares, its just money. For some a lot, for other not so much.
    Yeah sure, but it's stupid to pay more to get less.

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    gpu arrives tuesday now, boooo

    on the flip side, i've rediscovered how fun two point hospital is, and it runs surprisingly well on on-board graphics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Mind this is all cause of that first post being somehow surprised professional level hardware is expensive.

    Seems to me like you just want top of the line for reasons and are trying to find excuses to get them.

    Struggling to see what a non dedicated professional would have for anything above a top tier ryzen in this case.
    Dude, take a break. It's not professional level no matter how much AMD would like to sell it as such.

    ECC RAM? No. SAS? Nah. Enterprise level shit? Not really.

    It's a top end platform for sure but so was my Intel one when I got it and it's double for CPU and MB than what I paid for CPU, MB and 64GB RAM. Let that sink in a bit.

    I can't afford pro level hardware and it's why I have a Titan X GPU and not a Tesla card.

    And yes it's obviously niche, it involves biological and biochem simulations and other more complicated stuff. It's my brainchild project and it is anything but simple. No, I won't give any more details. People just want to know and if I were to put in the effort of explaining you would be in a position to finance or contribute. Sorry


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Mind this is all cause of that first post being somehow surprised professional level hardware is expensive.

    Seems to me like you just want top of the line for reasons and are trying to find excuses to get them.

    Struggling to see what a non dedicated professional would have for anything above a top tier ryzen in this case.
    Dude, take a break. It's not professional level no matter how much AMD would like to sell it as such.

    ECC RAM? No. SAS? Nah. Enterprise level shit? Not really.

    It's a top end platform for sure but so was my Intel one when I got it and it's double for CPU and MB than what I paid for CPU, MB and 64GB RAM. Let that sink in a bit.

    I can't afford pro level hardware and it's why I have a Titan X GPU and not a Tesla card.

    And yes it's obviously niche, it involves biological and biochem simulations and other more complicated stuff. It's my brainchild project and it is anything but simple. No, I won't give any more details. People just want to know and if I were to put in the effort of explaining you would be in a position to finance or contribute. Sorry


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    Well if you're going to be a dick about it then why the are you even complaining in the first place.

    You cant compare prices like that cross generations with the insane performance jumps we've had.

    Btw it supports ECC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
    And yes it's obviously niche, it involves biological and biochem simulations and other more complicated stuff. It's my brainchild project and it is anything but simple. No, I won't give any more details.
    Well I think you are going for the ideal hardware for that task (unless you have 20k to spend on a dual EPYC 64-core system).

    Any estimate of how much of a speed increase you will get from your current setup (whatever it is)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Mind this is all cause of that first post being somehow surprised professional level hardware is expensive.

    Seems to me like you just want top of the line for reasons and are trying to find excuses to get them.

    Struggling to see what a non dedicated professional would have for anything above a top tier ryzen in this case.
    Dude, take a break. It's not professional level no matter how much AMD would like to sell it as such.

    ECC RAM? No. SAS? Nah. Enterprise level shit? Not really.

    It's a top end platform for sure but so was my Intel one when I got it and it's double for CPU and MB than what I paid for CPU, MB and 64GB RAM. Let that sink in a bit.

    I can't afford pro level hardware and it's why I have a Titan X GPU and not a Tesla card.

    And yes it's obviously niche, it involves biological and biochem simulations and other more complicated stuff. It's my brainchild project and it is anything but simple. No, I won't give any more details. People just want to know and if I were to put in the effort of explaining you would be in a position to finance or contribute. Sorry


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    Let's go back to the start.

    What's your actual budget here? You're talking like this project is something you intend to seriously engage with. Great: what's it actually worth to you to get a HEDT class workstation. Because for rendering, there's no denying that the Zen 2 CPUs are the best option at pretty much every price point other than "Eccentric millionaire gave me a quad Xeon rig with 512Gb RAM because he liked my t-shirt".

    If you're batting in the "this is my long term hobby, I'm happy to spend a couple of grand on it" league, then you're not going to do better than a 3950. 16c/32t for 700 is simply unbeatable at this point.

    If you're in the "this is the start of my new dream career and I'm committing to it fully" then stop titting about and pay real money for the best you can get, which is a 3970 or 3990, because complaining about paying 700 for a board for a 2 or 4k processor is silly. You'll be spending more than that just on the RAM to make full use of a CPU like that. And you're spending that amount of money because those CPUs are far, far more powerful than anything else you can consider, unless you're actually looking to spend Primrose Hill mansion money on a real render farm.

    Also, all Zen CPUs support ECC, although there are DIMM size limitations for the consumer ones.
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Clearly should just get an Epyc system instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Well if you're going to be a dick about it then why the are you even complaining in the first place.
    You are being a dick asking in that tone then you complain when I'm being a dick to you (hint: I'm not, you want to contribute financially or with actual work? Send me a CV, not even joking. Else, it's not worth the effort to put in hours in explaining to you or others like you who are just curious. Simple as that, no hard feelings. Take a breather, mate).

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    Btw it supports ECC
    It's only unbuffered ECC that the Zenith II Extreme supports, so it's like half a measure, but thanks for the info. You can present this in a non-dick way, btw.

    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Well then don't bitch about the prices next time.
    When it's a project that only I've ever put monies in, I have the right to bitch all day long about prices. I'm looking for performance that I need, but it's hard to finance hobbies and such a project on one salary. I work for my money. I have the right to bitch that a similarly placed high end platform is much more expensive, if you have server grade hardware and when you upgrade you're hit with a 100% price hike you'd be fucking furious too. "Professionals don't complain" is daft, they don't. Their acquisitions department does lol. Seeing I'm both rolled into one, I can complain to myself. What is your problem, anyway?



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    And yes it's obviously niche, it involves biological and biochem simulations and other more complicated stuff. It's my brainchild project and it is anything but simple. No, I won't give any more details.
    Well I think you are going for the ideal hardware for that task (unless you have 20k to spend on a dual EPYC 64-core system).

    Any estimate of how much of a speed increase you will get from your current setup (whatever it is)?
    Depending on settings and materials I'm looking at a huge (>100%) reduction in rendering times. Preview speed has never been an issue on my current setup, but once you hit the render button you can go take a walk. At one point I had unbinded a core (2T) from rendering to work on the related spreadsheets and/or description documents. Lately I've been using my laptop to work on those and just used the HDMI output to use my main screen.

    My biggest issue was and still is RAM. After Effects is an absolute hog, but it's a must in gluing the .tga pile resulted from a render.

    I'm still studying the whole implications but it's disheartening on how people react to this whole thing. It's why I never talk about it (see reaction above). Sometimes I just want to fucking take a hammer to the drive storing all the backups and shift delete the whole thing.

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    Let's go back to the start.

    What's your actual budget here? You're talking like this project is something you intend to seriously engage with. Great: what's it actually worth to you to get a HEDT class workstation. Because for rendering, there's no denying that the Zen 2 CPUs are the best option at pretty much every price point other than "Eccentric millionaire gave me a quad Xeon rig with 512Gb RAM because he liked my t-shirt".

    If you're batting in the "this is my long term hobby, I'm happy to spend a couple of grand on it" league, then you're not going to do better than a 3950. 16c/32t for 700 is simply unbeatable at this point.

    If you're in the "this is the start of my new dream career and I'm committing to it fully" then stop titting about and pay real money for the best you can get, which is a 3970 or 3990, because complaining about paying 700 for a board for a 2 or 4k processor is silly. You'll be spending more than that just on the RAM to make full use of a CPU like that. And you're spending that amount of money because those CPUs are far, far more powerful than anything else you can consider, unless you're actually looking to spend Primrose Hill mansion money on a real render farm.

    Also, all Zen CPUs support ECC, although there are DIMM size limitations for the consumer ones.
    I agree with your points and thank you for this. I'm not quitting my day job. This project is related to my profession and my job currently took such a vertical upward turn I'm struggling to keep pace with everything.

    It is not a hobby. But it is not a new carreer. It is more of a marathon I have been running for close to six years now - between job and other daily responsibilities it's a tad hard to keep up with something that people describe as "wet dreams".

    Bottom line - I'm looking for a platform that will enable me to continue working comfortably on a project I've been developing for a long time. But there are still random issues with the Ryzen platform and I've been using hardware for too long to not be extremely prudent when it comes to new tech.

    What I'm looking at at the moment is Zenith II Extreme and the 3960X. And that's 1k from the get-go, which is a bit terrifying. But then again I'm looking at my current system and it's encouraging to see it's held up so well, so the investment will surely be worth it.
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    I feel like if you were saying that you are doing research in your field of work that would produce a lot less drama. Quite the opposite.

    Anyway, the Zenith II Extreme and 3960X are 2k. A 3950X and a Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master is about 1k. Just in case it's not a typo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
    You are being a dick asking in that tone then you complain when I'm being a dick to you (hint: I'm not, you want to contribute financially or with actual work? Send me a CV, not even joking. Else, it's not worth the effort to put in hours in explaining to you or others like you who are just curious. Simple as that, no hard feelings. Take a breather, mate).
    You could have very simply said it's for some specific research and stopped the whining about prices across multiple generations at post one and nobody would have said a thing, least of all me. Doesn't need hours of explanation, even less the attitude.

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    I feel like if you were saying that you are doing research in your field of work that would produce a lot less drama. Quite the opposite.
    This.
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    right you're all being autists now

    cosmin - you aren't james bond, and this isn't dragons den. if you want proper help, tell people what you're trying to do

    isyel - calm down a bit, but you're giving good advice

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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    right you're all being autists now
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    In other news, Lisa Su confirmed that Zen 3 is indeed coming this year. That was what was being optimistically assumed, but now we have confirmation.

    Rather hoping for a Socket AM 4 16-core at 95W TDP (ie: a bit less than the 3950) part that I can eventually upgrade my Ryzen 2700 to, in maybe 2021 or 2022. Hurrah for viable upgrade paths!
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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