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    This thread only proves the need for dedicated work camps, where all the stoners can be sent to work off their drug addiction so they can be returned back as productive members of society

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
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    Not convinced those are particularly useful metrics. I find it unlikely that the sort of person who didn't smoke because it was illegal is the same sort of person who is then going to smoke and drive as soon as marijuana is legalized.
    What? Seriously?

    You dont think legalisation makes more people smoke / people smoke more often?
    don't less people smoke from Holland than the UK?

    phoneposting
    Rather than comparing two completely different countries without controlling for the myriad of other relevant factors, how about an example that has recently gone through legalization itself thus can be directly compares with its own past stats, Colorado:

    Adults over 26, past 30-day marijuana use went from 7.6% in 2012 to 12.4% in 2014.

    So a more than 60% increase...

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    But is it alright to stone people while driving?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
    But is it alright to stone people while driving?
    If they are already stoned, what's a few more stones?

    Besides, Smuggo's lightening stoner reflexes and "slo-mo vision" will allow him to swerve around any unexpected projectiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
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    Not convinced those are particularly useful metrics. I find it unlikely that the sort of person who didn't smoke because it was illegal is the same sort of person who is then going to smoke and drive as soon as marijuana is legalized.
    What? Seriously?

    You dont think legalisation makes more people smoke / people smoke more often?
    don't less people smoke from Holland than the UK?

    phoneposting
    Rather than comparing two completely different countries without controlling for the myriad of other relevant factors, how about an example that has recently gone through legalization itself thus can be directly compares with its own past stats, Colorado:

    Adults over 26, past 30-day marijuana use went from 7.6% in 2012 to 12.4% in 2014.

    So a more than 60% increase...
    Okay but the generalised trend is that where drugs are legalised there is usually lower incidents of drug use. That Colorado saw an increase after legalising something that had long been cracked down on hard in the immediate aftermath of legalisation doesn't really say much about the long-term trend.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
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    Not convinced those are particularly useful metrics. I find it unlikely that the sort of person who didn't smoke because it was illegal is the same sort of person who is then going to smoke and drive as soon as marijuana is legalized.
    What? Seriously?

    You dont think legalisation makes more people smoke / people smoke more often?
    don't less people smoke from Holland than the UK?

    phoneposting
    Rather than comparing two completely different countries without controlling for the myriad of other relevant factors, how about an example that has recently gone through legalization itself thus can be directly compares with its own past stats, Colorado:

    Adults over 26, past 30-day marijuana use went from 7.6% in 2012 to 12.4% in 2014.

    So a more than 60% increase...
    so the Netherlands smoke more weed than the UK because of colarado?

    phoneposting


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    Who thinks the UK is much more similar to a US state than a social democratic European neighbour?

    I bet more dutch people even speak English.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
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    The NTSB did a report years ago that stated at any given time 25% on the drivers on the road are under the influence of prescription medication that should not be taken when operating a vehicle. Part of the downside of better living through modern chemistry
    Gonna need a source on that. 25% of the drivers on the road at any given time? Yeah... that sounds very very far off.
    I cant find the exact bulletin {was in ~2004} but here is the most recent.

    https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/mwl/Docu...pairment-H.pdf

    In a 2014 roadside survey of alcohol and drug use by drivers, NHTSA found that nearly one in four drivers tested positive for at least one drug that could affect safety.
    So its not just prescription drugs but all combined in the report. However keep in mind that most prescription drugs cannot be readily tested for in a roadside check. Most people don't really consider the prevalence of prescription drugs on the road; I mean shit Xanax alone is taken by almost 10 million people; the vast majority of whom are daily drivers.

    Then there is the lovely fact that its incredibly hard to convict people of impaired driving offences when it comes to prescription drugs http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/us/25drugged.html Don't forget about the Kennedy daughter who walked away Scott free from a DUI charge after admitting to taking a sedative http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/28/justic...ial/index.html

    Its also a major factor in fatal accidents https://www.drugabuse.gov/publicatio...rugged-driving
    A 2010 nationwide study of deadly crashes found that about 47 percent of drivers who tested positive for drugs had used a prescription drug, compared to 37 percent of those had used marijuana and about 10 percent of those who had used cocaine. The most common prescription drugs found were pain relievers.5 However, the study didn't distinguish between medically-supervised and illicit use of the prescription drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
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    Anyone who does this, like drink drivers, deserves prison.

    I would immediately drop a friend who did this.
    I'd +rep you, but I've already done it too recently.

    No, it is not alright to drive while stoned. You're operating a multi-ton vehicle at speeds high enough to generate massive amounts of kinetic energy. The right way - the only way - to drive is stone cold sober, two hands on the wheel, doing nothing but paying attention to where your speeding hunk of metal is going and what the other hunks of metal around you are doing. If you don't want to do that, take a damn cab.
    Back in reality land ill be driving with one hand on the wheel mostly and with, while not a lack of concentration, ill only be applying as much as is needed to drive safely. Driving isnt that hard. this chat is getting to read a lot like "virgins discuss sex" but about driving.
    There are over 17K reported traffic accidents each day in the US, leading to just shy of 100 deaths. If the accident rate were the death rate, I might agree with you. But when there's a 5-digit number of accidents each and every day, one can only conclude that driving a car is clearly incredibly hard for a whole lot of people.
    Have some handy math. Americans drive 8.8 billion miles daily, or one fatality for every 88 million miles. At 17k accidents daily that's still a rate of only one accident per 500,000 miles driven, or about the distance an average person covers in 15-20 years. Given the whole multi-vehicle accident thing, I think statistics show an average driver being in an accident once every 7-10 years.

    Don't get me wrong, traffic accidents are still a significant source of mortality. But the individual risk is quite negligible; our roads are very safe. It follows that since all these statistics are the product of human action (i.e. people driving), driving can't be that difficult.
    Road crashes lead to 2.1% of all deaths globally, "but the risks are negligable to the individual". A 1/50 chance of death is negligible????

    By that token, here are some other "negligible" risks throughout the world:

    All childhood diseases (1.9%)
    All birth complications and congenital defects (1.75%)
    Hypertensive heart disease (1.6%)
    Suicide (1.5%)
    All forms of inflicted violent death (1.28%)
    Falling (0.69%)
    Drowning (0.67%)
    I think what this means is that the risk of death at all is "negligible". And this should track with everyone's own personal experience; I mean compare all the days in your life that you haven't died versus all the days where you have.
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    so what you're saying is that perhaps the fhc hive mind reaction to a bit of stoned driving is over the top?

    phoneposting


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    so what you're saying is that perhaps the fhc hive mind reaction to a bit of stoned driving is over the top?

    phoneposting
    But then Steph was arguing in favour of driving like ur mum before so...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
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    The NTSB did a report years ago that stated at any given time 25% on the drivers on the road are under the influence of prescription medication that should not be taken when operating a vehicle. Part of the downside of better living through modern chemistry
    Gonna need a source on that. 25% of the drivers on the road at any given time? Yeah... that sounds very very far off.
    I cant find the exact bulletin {was in ~2004} but here is the most recent.

    https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/mwl/Docu...pairment-H.pdf

    In a 2014 roadside survey of alcohol and drug use by drivers, NHTSA found that nearly one in four drivers tested positive for at least one drug that could affect safety.
    So its not just prescription drugs but all combined in the report. However keep in mind that most prescription drugs cannot be readily tested for in a roadside check. Most people don't really consider the prevalence of prescription drugs on the road; I mean shit Xanax alone is taken by almost 10 million people; the vast majority of whom are daily drivers.

    Then there is the lovely fact that its incredibly hard to convict people of impaired driving offences when it comes to prescription drugs http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/us/25drugged.html Don't forget about the Kennedy daughter who walked away Scott free from a DUI charge after admitting to taking a sedative http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/28/justic...ial/index.html

    Its also a major factor in fatal accidents https://www.drugabuse.gov/publicatio...rugged-driving
    A 2010 nationwide study of deadly crashes found that about 47 percent of drivers who tested positive for drugs had used a prescription drug, compared to 37 percent of those had used marijuana and about 10 percent of those who had used cocaine. The most common prescription drugs found were pain relievers.5 However, the study didn't distinguish between medically-supervised and illicit use of the prescription drugs.
    Real talk. Actual prescription drugs prescribed by actual trained medical doctors are way, way more dangerous and damaging to society than weed.
    meh

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    you can tell by the sharp drop in life expectancy over the last century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiodome View Post
    you can tell by the sharp drop in life expectancy over the last century.
    https://www.drugabuse.gov/drugs-abus.../opioid-crisis
    meh

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    I'm always interested how prevalent prescription opioids are in Britain compared to the states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiodome View Post
    you can tell by the sharp drop in life expectancy over the last century.
    Due to nutrition and lower infant mortality rate mostly.

    It's not just the dying, a lot of these drugs make people funny and seem to damage their quality of life in favour of possibly making them live longer.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    I'm always interested how prevalent prescription opioids are in Britain compared to the states.
    Problem with murica is this shit gets advertised on TV and patients demand drugs from doctors rather than doctors telling patients what to take.

    Of course, if the Tories ever succeed in their goal to destroy the NHS then we can expect massive prescription drug addiction problems here too!!



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    I'll just leave this glorious article here so we can all point and laugh.

    http://wvpublic.org/post/how-drug-co...pills#stream/0
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
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    so what you're saying is that perhaps the fhc hive mind reaction to a bit of stoned driving is over the top?

    phoneposting
    But then Steph was arguing in favour of driving like ur mum before so...
    Not my mum surely. She is far more a terrible driver sober than i ever would be stoned. She failed her driving test 9 times


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
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    so what you're saying is that perhaps the fhc hive mind reaction to a bit of stoned driving is over the top?

    phoneposting
    But then Steph was arguing in favour of driving like ur mum before so...
    Not my mum surely. She is far more a terrible driver sober than i ever would be stoned. She failed her driving test 9 times
    Bet she drives slow with both hands on the wheel tho.



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