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Thread: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

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    MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    Not sure if this would be special implants, or a boosted respec or whatever

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    Unacceptable. In the general case, MT for advantage is *sometimes* acceptable when it just allows you to reduce or avoid boring grind, but this represents something that enhances your play BEYOND the grind.

    Then again, I'm failrly sure that all of these things will be allowed on the market - and so players can grind isk get the same advantage. Still voting unacceptable for how, but will consider this more, along with other's viewpoints.

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    That's basically selling SP.

    Totally unacceptable.
    If you want SP that bad, there's already the character bazaar at the expense of having no control on the character's reputation, name, history, etc.

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    That somewhat matches my view Mike, I am uncomfortable with the idea, but tbh, this seems like a much smaller advantage than something like gold ammo. After all, once you are in a fight, it doesn't matter that you are training slightly faster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Pellegrino
    That's basically selling SP.

    Totally unacceptable.
    If you want SP that bad, there's already the character bazaar at the expense of having no control on the character's reputation, name, history, etc.
    Not sure I totally agree, since you still have to wait some amount of time. What if the maximum advantage was less than 5%?

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    Any increase, even 5% is still unacceptable.

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    Constant training speed for all players is one the "defining charactaristics" of eve. It is *the* thing that keeps the paying field of eve even. (buying characters outright still means someone paid for that character to train)

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    Quote Originally Posted by Obic
    Constant training speed for all players is one the "defining charactaristics" of eve. It is *the* thing that keeps the paying field of eve even. (buying characters outright still means someone paid for that character to train)
    Well said.

    It's one of those things that are at the very basis of the game, like the economy being player driven and the highest skill level being 5.

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    Its not a question of acceptableness for me, but it is a bad idea by lowering the amount of time that a wealthy player may stay in the game, and thus lower actual CCP income. They could always buy a character with some marginal draw backs. Personalized characters should be given value by demanding time.

    If not, characters become utterly bland items of skill points with no history that devalues the game.

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    under no circumstances.
    need me?, contact me on Discord (entrox#0001) or via e-mail (entrox@failheap-challenge.com).

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    Counterpoints:

    * RL $$ buys you PLEX which you selll for isk and which you can use to ensure you always have +5s in, no matter how often you get podded. This gives you a better training speed than poorer players who engage in the same activities as you.

    Keep in mind that these special MT training-speed boosts will also be available from the market. It's just their origin is from the NeX via AURUM and not the LP store via some PvE grinding.

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    Fuck no. This isn't an F2P game. I pay a subscription for this shit. No non-vanity MTs.
    FourFiftyFour > reed i enjoy your trolling on shc immensly

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike deVoid
    Counterpoints:

    * RL $$ buys you PLEX which you selll for isk and which you can use to ensure you always have +5s in, no matter how often you get podded. This gives you a better training speed than poorer players who engage in the same activities as you.

    Keep in mind that these special MT training-speed boosts will also be available from the market. It's just their origin is from the NeX via AURUM and not the LP store via some PvE grinding.
    In which case, there is already a way to do it, and no need to add another one to stack on top. Why spend time developing something that can already be done?

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    Quote Originally Posted by Solanar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike deVoid
    Counterpoints:

    * RL $$ buys you PLEX which you selll for isk and which you can use to ensure you always have +5s in, no matter how often you get podded. This gives you a better training speed than poorer players who engage in the same activities as you.

    Keep in mind that these special MT training-speed boosts will also be available from the market. It's just their origin is from the NeX via AURUM and not the LP store via some PvE grinding.
    In which case, there is already a way to do it, and no need to add another one to stack on top. Why spend time developing something that can already be done?
    Not that I am IN FAVOUR, but say +6 and +7 implants became available but only through the NeX store. Hardly any dev time required at all.

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    In which case I fall back on the same thing I did for the plex for remaps. I am against it, but see the payout as so minimal, I hardly care.

    But even for that, they need to be something that is destroyed if they get podded.

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    Still need to hear a cojent argument between the [game-destroying] difference between

    $$ > PLEX > ISK > +5s implants
    and
    $$ > PLEX > AURUM > +6s implants

    especially since both will be destroyable upon podding and trade-able on the market (and hence available for anybody with the isk to pay for them).

    Otherwise, I'm going to have to say that some implementations of AURUM for increased training time *are* acceptable, although many will not be.

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    Well, but if you can do +6 with AURUM this patch - what about +10 next patch? +50 in a year or two?

    We have +5's in game already. There is no real reason to go further.

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike deVoid
    Still need to hear a cojent argument between the [game-destroying] difference between

    $$ > PLEX > ISK > +5s implants
    and
    $$ > PLEX > AURUM > +6s implants

    especially since both will be destroyable upon podding and trade-able on the market (and hence available for anybody with the isk to pay for them).

    Otherwise, I'm going to have to say that some implementations of AURUM for increased training time *are* acceptable, although many will not be.
    Why do you need an argument besides the fact that one requires some form of in-game work, and the other does not? +6 Aurum implants might not irreparably harm the actual gameplay of EVE, but they will irreparably harm the soul of the game. It seriously is enough for me to leave.

    Aurum for skillpoints, in anyway, is not acceptable at all.

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    Absolutely not.

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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike deVoid
    Still need to hear a cojent argument between the [game-destroying] difference between

    $$ > PLEX > ISK > +5s implants
    and
    $$ > PLEX > AURUM > +6s implants
    Someone did :effort: and produced :game content: for those +5s.
    Contract stuff to Seraphina Amaranth.

    "You give me the awful impression - I hate to have to say - of someone who hasn't read any of the arguments against your position. Ever."


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    Re: MT Issue #2 - Pay AUR for increased training speed

    [quote=two step]That somewhat matches my view Mike, I am uncomfortable with the idea, but tbh, this seems like a much smaller advantage than something like gold ammo. After all, once you are in a fight, it doesn't matter that you are training slightly faster.

    Quote Originally Posted by "Don Pellegrino":51w0ho8g
    That's basically selling SP.

    Totally unacceptable.
    If you want SP that bad, there's already the character bazaar at the expense of having no control on the character's reputation, name, history, etc.
    Not sure I totally agree, since you still have to wait some amount of time. What if the maximum advantage was less than 5%?[/quote:51w0ho8g]
    "This seems like a much smaller advantage" is a very slippery slope. Compare it to the small percentages you get from increasing a skill by one level: on their own they're not such a big deal, in aggregate it's absolutely essential to train them all up to succeed.

    Don't go there.
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