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    He's Brasil's president regardless, so might as well try to find some straws to grasp. They did much the same for the Mexican guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post


    what, the economist engaging in literal fascist apologia ?

    remind me again why we say this is satire ?
    Dude itís The Economist. What do you expect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
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    what, the economist engaging in literal fascist apologia ?

    remind me again why we say this is satire ?
    Dude it’s The Economist. What do you expect?
    Also CBC:


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    These kinds of liberals had no problem with Pinochet. They’ll have no problem with Bolsonaro.

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    They called him a dangerous populist. Hitler directed the creation of transport infrastructure, national parks and anti animal-cruelty laws. Those were some good ideas, even if they came from a horrible man. You can acknowledge that without it being an "apologia"
    Part of the appeal of dangerous populists is that they implement good ideas that the establishment have discarded for whatever reason (often because they're captured by special interests).

    If we could actually get good ideas implement dangerous populists would be less popular.
    Populiusts also tend to be phenomenally incompetent, and usually either very corrupt to start with or very quick to catch up.
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    I caught this the other week off of twatter but only just got around to reading it,

    The Shrinking Middle Class: The Current State of Affairs - Stories from people chasing the American dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparq View Post
    I caught this the other week off of twatter but only just got around to reading it,

    The Shrinking Middle Class: The Current State of Affairs - Stories from people chasing the American dream.
    Man even the first story has some depressing quotes

    If Palo Alto, with its many Silicon Valley billionaires, seems like an unlikely location for trailer living, that’s because it is. The Buena Vista Mobile Home Park, tucked behind a Valero gas station on one of the city’s busiest streets, is home to just over 100 trailers and about 400 residents, including Martinez and her kids; her mother, sister, and brother; and his family. (Her mother lives with her; her sister and brother have separate mobile homes.) The residents of the park are mostly working-class immigrants who hold jobs in nearby restaurants, hair salons, and construction sites. They pay around $1,400 a month for rent and utilities in an area where the median home price is $3.2 million.
    1400 rent for a shitty trailer so these people can serve their techie betters in restaurants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
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    I caught this the other week off of twatter but only just got around to reading it,

    The Shrinking Middle Class: The Current State of Affairs - Stories from people chasing the American dream.
    Man even the first story has some depressing quotes

    If Palo Alto, with its many Silicon Valley billionaires, seems like an unlikely location for trailer living, thatís because it is. The Buena Vista Mobile Home Park, tucked behind a Valero gas station on one of the cityís busiest streets, is home to just over 100 trailers and about 400 residents, including Martinez and her kids; her mother, sister, and brother; and his family. (Her mother lives with her; her sister and brother have separate mobile homes.) The residents of the park are mostly working-class immigrants who hold jobs in nearby restaurants, hair salons, and construction sites. They pay around $1,400 a month for rent and utilities in an area where the median home price is $3.2 million.
    1400 rent for a shitty trailer so these people can serve their techie betters in restaurants.
    Seems like a bit of a misleading title. Most of the people talking about themselves in it are working class. The rest are part of the elite lamenting how the working class are being treated.

    As far as I can see the only middle class guy actually suffering in that article is a teacher who stood up for his values and got punished for it.

    The shrinking middle class is a real issue, but this article is really shit at talking about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
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    I caught this the other week off of twatter but only just got around to reading it,

    The Shrinking Middle Class: The Current State of Affairs - Stories from people chasing the American dream.
    Man even the first story has some depressing quotes

    If Palo Alto, with its many Silicon Valley billionaires, seems like an unlikely location for trailer living, that’s because it is. The Buena Vista Mobile Home Park, tucked behind a Valero gas station on one of the city’s busiest streets, is home to just over 100 trailers and about 400 residents, including Martinez and her kids; her mother, sister, and brother; and his family. (Her mother lives with her; her sister and brother have separate mobile homes.) The residents of the park are mostly working-class immigrants who hold jobs in nearby restaurants, hair salons, and construction sites. They pay around $1,400 a month for rent and utilities in an area where the median home price is $3.2 million.
    1400 rent for a shitty trailer so these people can serve their techie betters in restaurants.
    Seems like a bit of a misleading title. Most of the people talking about themselves in it are working class. The rest are part of the elite lamenting how the working class are being treated.

    As far as I can see the only middle class guy actually suffering in that article is a teacher who stood up for his values and got punished for it.

    The shrinking middle class is a real issue, but this article is really shit at talking about it.
    It's shrinking because jobs that could get you a decent middle class existence no longer do. This was true for even occupations that would be considered 'working class'. All those waiters, clerks, and paramedics are doing now is basically just existing

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
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    I caught this the other week off of twatter but only just got around to reading it,

    The Shrinking Middle Class: The Current State of Affairs - Stories from people chasing the American dream.
    Man even the first story has some depressing quotes

    If Palo Alto, with its many Silicon Valley billionaires, seems like an unlikely location for trailer living, that’s because it is. The Buena Vista Mobile Home Park, tucked behind a Valero gas station on one of the city’s busiest streets, is home to just over 100 trailers and about 400 residents, including Martinez and her kids; her mother, sister, and brother; and his family. (Her mother lives with her; her sister and brother have separate mobile homes.) The residents of the park are mostly working-class immigrants who hold jobs in nearby restaurants, hair salons, and construction sites. They pay around $1,400 a month for rent and utilities in an area where the median home price is $3.2 million.
    1400 rent for a shitty trailer so these people can serve their techie betters in restaurants.
    Seems like a bit of a misleading title. Most of the people talking about themselves in it are working class. The rest are part of the elite lamenting how the working class are being treated.

    As far as I can see the only middle class guy actually suffering in that article is a teacher who stood up for his values and got punished for it.

    The shrinking middle class is a real issue, but this article is really shit at talking about it.
    It's shrinking because jobs that could get you a decent middle class existence no longer do. This was true for even occupations that would be considered 'working class'. All those waiters, clerks, and paramedics are doing now is basically just existing
    When salaries universally increase, the people at the bottom are still working class.

    Waiters, clerks and paramedics never stopped being working class.

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    I caught this the other week off of twatter but only just got around to reading it,

    The Shrinking Middle Class: The Current State of Affairs - Stories from people chasing the American dream.
    Man even the first story has some depressing quotes

    If Palo Alto, with its many Silicon Valley billionaires, seems like an unlikely location for trailer living, that’s because it is. The Buena Vista Mobile Home Park, tucked behind a Valero gas station on one of the city’s busiest streets, is home to just over 100 trailers and about 400 residents, including Martinez and her kids; her mother, sister, and brother; and his family. (Her mother lives with her; her sister and brother have separate mobile homes.) The residents of the park are mostly working-class immigrants who hold jobs in nearby restaurants, hair salons, and construction sites. They pay around $1,400 a month for rent and utilities in an area where the median home price is $3.2 million.
    1400 rent for a shitty trailer so these people can serve their techie betters in restaurants.
    Seems like a bit of a misleading title. Most of the people talking about themselves in it are working class. The rest are part of the elite lamenting how the working class are being treated.

    As far as I can see the only middle class guy actually suffering in that article is a teacher who stood up for his values and got punished for it.

    The shrinking middle class is a real issue, but this article is really shit at talking about it.
    It's shrinking because jobs that could get you a decent middle class existence no longer do. This was true for even occupations that would be considered 'working class'. All those waiters, clerks, and paramedics are doing now is basically just existing
    When salaries universally increase, the people at the bottom are still working class.

    Waiters, clerks and paramedics never stopped being working class.
    Alright dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
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    I caught this the other week off of twatter but only just got around to reading it,

    The Shrinking Middle Class: The Current State of Affairs - Stories from people chasing the American dream.
    Man even the first story has some depressing quotes

    If Palo Alto, with its many Silicon Valley billionaires, seems like an unlikely location for trailer living, that’s because it is. The Buena Vista Mobile Home Park, tucked behind a Valero gas station on one of the city’s busiest streets, is home to just over 100 trailers and about 400 residents, including Martinez and her kids; her mother, sister, and brother; and his family. (Her mother lives with her; her sister and brother have separate mobile homes.) The residents of the park are mostly working-class immigrants who hold jobs in nearby restaurants, hair salons, and construction sites. They pay around $1,400 a month for rent and utilities in an area where the median home price is $3.2 million.
    1400 rent for a shitty trailer so these people can serve their techie betters in restaurants.
    Seems like a bit of a misleading title. Most of the people talking about themselves in it are working class. The rest are part of the elite lamenting how the working class are being treated.

    As far as I can see the only middle class guy actually suffering in that article is a teacher who stood up for his values and got punished for it.

    The shrinking middle class is a real issue, but this article is really shit at talking about it.
    It's shrinking because jobs that could get you a decent middle class existence no longer do. This was true for even occupations that would be considered 'working class'. All those waiters, clerks, and paramedics are doing now is basically just existing
    When salaries universally increase, the people at the bottom are still working class.

    Waiters, clerks and paramedics never stopped being working class.
    this.

    working class means you don't have a choice when it comes to selling your labour, ie you're wholly dependent on wage labour to survive, all that "white collar, blue collar" stuff is basically just divisive bullshit.

    some fucker living off his stock earnings in a mansion is not working class, his cleaning lady who works 60 hours a week is.
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    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparq View Post
    I caught this the other week off of twatter but only just got around to reading it,

    The Shrinking Middle Class: The Current State of Affairs - Stories from people chasing the American dream.
    Man even the first story has some depressing quotes

    If Palo Alto, with its many Silicon Valley billionaires, seems like an unlikely location for trailer living, that’s because it is. The Buena Vista Mobile Home Park, tucked behind a Valero gas station on one of the city’s busiest streets, is home to just over 100 trailers and about 400 residents, including Martinez and her kids; her mother, sister, and brother; and his family. (Her mother lives with her; her sister and brother have separate mobile homes.) The residents of the park are mostly working-class immigrants who hold jobs in nearby restaurants, hair salons, and construction sites. They pay around $1,400 a month for rent and utilities in an area where the median home price is $3.2 million.
    1400 rent for a shitty trailer so these people can serve their techie betters in restaurants.
    The biggest problem in Palo Alto is that none of the cops or firemen can afford to live there and have to commute, not that there are mobile home parks, which have been there since looooooong before it got crazy.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparq View Post
    I caught this the other week off of twatter but only just got around to reading it,

    The Shrinking Middle Class: The Current State of Affairs - Stories from people chasing the American dream.
    Man even the first story has some depressing quotes

    If Palo Alto, with its many Silicon Valley billionaires, seems like an unlikely location for trailer living, that’s because it is. The Buena Vista Mobile Home Park, tucked behind a Valero gas station on one of the city’s busiest streets, is home to just over 100 trailers and about 400 residents, including Martinez and her kids; her mother, sister, and brother; and his family. (Her mother lives with her; her sister and brother have separate mobile homes.) The residents of the park are mostly working-class immigrants who hold jobs in nearby restaurants, hair salons, and construction sites. They pay around $1,400 a month for rent and utilities in an area where the median home price is $3.2 million.
    1400 rent for a shitty trailer so these people can serve their techie betters in restaurants.
    The biggest problem in Palo Alto is that none of the cops or firemen can afford to live there and have to commute, not that there are mobile home parks, which have been there since looooooong before it got crazy.
    I don’t think that’s the biggest problem in Palo Alto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
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    I caught this the other week off of twatter but only just got around to reading it,

    The Shrinking Middle Class: The Current State of Affairs - Stories from people chasing the American dream.
    Man even the first story has some depressing quotes

    If Palo Alto, with its many Silicon Valley billionaires, seems like an unlikely location for trailer living, that’s because it is. The Buena Vista Mobile Home Park, tucked behind a Valero gas station on one of the city’s busiest streets, is home to just over 100 trailers and about 400 residents, including Martinez and her kids; her mother, sister, and brother; and his family. (Her mother lives with her; her sister and brother have separate mobile homes.) The residents of the park are mostly working-class immigrants who hold jobs in nearby restaurants, hair salons, and construction sites. They pay around $1,400 a month for rent and utilities in an area where the median home price is $3.2 million.
    1400 rent for a shitty trailer so these people can serve their techie betters in restaurants.
    The biggest problem in Palo Alto is that none of the cops or firemen can afford to live there and have to commute, not that there are mobile home parks, which have been there since looooooong before it got crazy.
    I don’t think that’s the biggest problem in Palo Alto.
    You may not, but people who live there do...

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    Workers not being able to afford to live within a reasonable distance of work is a symptom, not the problem itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    These kinds of liberals had no problem with Pinochet.
    Pinochet had problems?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Workers not being able to afford to live within a reasonable distance of work is a symptom, not the problem itself.
    I donít disagree, but itís still perceived as a problem. That and the kids from Paly offing themselves on the train tracks because of academic pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    Workers not being able to afford to live within a reasonable distance of work is a symptom, not the problem itself.
    I donít disagree, but itís still perceived as a problem. That and the kids from Paly offing themselves on the train tracks because of academic pressure.
    Something can be a symptom of a deeper problem and a problem in and of itself.

    Ideally you solve the deeper problem, but sometimes you live with dealing with the problems caused by the symptoms.

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