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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Sounds like cultural appropriation of communism by corporations. Just replace the Party with the Board and the end effect for the proleteriat is the same. You get what they think you need as long as you get in with the program, or it's off to the Unemployment Office Gulag with you
    The latter part of that Mark Fisher essay everyone likes quoting the first line of muses on how neo-liberalism has come to imitate Stalinism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whispous View Post
    In a couple of years the disparity between the have and the have-nots will be so large that there will be newly legalised "no pay" jobs where you live in a corporate apartment and sit on corporate furniture while eating corporate food, under the banner of "making sure people have the things they need"
    Already happened in the US once and Amazon is trying to get there again. The past is the future is now.
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    "oh no, the poor have no money and the rich are obscenely rich. Where do we get more money to help the poor? Tax the poor so we can more rigidly look after them the way we see fit. Maybe we can even stimulate the econonomy by paying private companies to run these services for the poor."


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    locking again cos you're all getting weird and being autists about tyres

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    My university just announced a general pay increase for everyone. No specifics yet, but I'm sure it won't be remotely in line with inflation. Unfortunately, I work at a place that doesn't include automatic cost of living increases in our contracts. I'm new here but from what I heard, the last time we had a general increase was maybe 7 years ago or even longer ago than that. That's trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Rent seeking behaviour is the optimal model in an economy which places no value on socially useful work.
    Society doesnt place 'no value' on socially useful work, we place 'just enough value' on it to get shlubs to do it, and if they wont it imports more of em

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    It sells the groceries or it gets the hose again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by August View Post
    Unfortunately, I work at a place that doesn't include automatic cost of living increases in our contracts. I'm new here but from what I heard, the last time we had a general increase was maybe 7 years ago or even longer ago than that. That's trash.
    lol we just fucked over teachers in my country the same way. Unions allowed inflation correction to be removed and now they're getting a 2.25% raise (inflation is expected to be 2.4%) and their end of year bonus is going from 6.3% to 6.5%. People are very confused as to why the country always seems to be short on teachers.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Rent seeking behaviour is the optimal model in an economy which places no value on socially useful work.
    Society doesnt place 'no value' on socially useful work, we place 'just enough value' on it to get shlubs to do it, and if they wont it imports more of em
    Or we put just enough shlubs in precarious enough positions that they have no choice but to do the socially useful work which is massively undervalued.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Same is happening in Australia - businesses will do anything to avoid increasing wages.

    Even with the international borders shut wages are stagnant although the Reserve Bank in a unusual bout of honesty admitted that mass-migration was holding down wages in Australia. As we start to open up the economy again businesses are whining about labour and skill shortages. Looking at a combination of official unenployment, under employment and workers who are not looking for work who could work you have a real unemployment rate of around 15%.

    So the obvious solution would be to improve wages and conditions, move people off casual / part-time employment, provide training and use that 15% right? Right?

    Nup! Business Council wants to bring in 2 million people over 5 years on top of an already high migration figures. Plus bring back the backpackers and foreign students who can be exploited as well.

    Sadly this is rife in the Agricultural sector where everything is about price so no one from the farm to the supermarket wants to pay a realistic price for food and fibre. So they rip-off the workers who can't live on the shit wages unless they are brought in from Samoa or Timor and forced to live in slum conditions and then wonder why no Australian is willing to come and pick their damned fruit.

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    Crops are sitting unharvested in fields while combines can't get parts: https://www.reuters.com/world/the-gr...st-2021-10-12/

    Quoting because Reuters has introduced article limits:

    CHICAGO, Oct 12 (Reuters) - Dale Hadden cannot find any spare tires for his combine harvester. So the Illinois farmer told his harvest crew to avoid driving on the sides of roads this autumn to avoid metal scraps that could shred tires.

    New Ag Supply in Kansas is pleading with customers to order parts now for spring planting. And in Iowa, farmer Cordt Holub is locking up his machinery inside his barn each night, after thieves stole hard-to-find tractor parts from a local Deere & Co (DE.N) dealership.

    "You try to baby your equipment, but we're all at the mercy of luck right now," said Holub, a fourth-generation corn and soybean farmer in Buckingham, Iowa.

    Manufacturing meltdowns are hitting the U.S. heartland, as the semiconductor shortages that have plagued equipment makers for months expand into other components. Supply chain woes now pose a threat to the U.S. food supply and farmers' ability to get crops out of fields.

    Farmers say they are scrambling to find workarounds when their machinery breaks, tracking down local welders and mechanics. Growers looking to buy tractors and combines online are asking for close-up photos of the machine's tires, because replacements are expensive and difficult to find, said Greg Peterson, founder of the Machinery Pete website which hosts farm equipment auctions.

    "As harvest ends, we will see farmers at equipment auctions not for the machinery - but for parts," Peterson said. "We're already hearing from guys talking about buying a second planter or sprayer, just for parts."

    For some farmers, the shortages are forcing them to reuse - or repair - old parts.

    At their small welding shop in western Washington, Rami and Bob Warburton can barely keep up with all the orders from farmers needing something repaired from fittings for irrigation systems to a cracked bulldozer bucket.

    "We were in the middle of a drought up here," Rami Warburton said. "At that time, they couldn't wait to water their fields for a month. The crops will be dead by then."

    'TYLENOL MOMENTS'

    Kinks in the supply chain due to COVID-19 shutdowns in manufacturing hubs in the United States and Asia, a container shortage snarling major ports, and a dearth of workers prevent equipment manufacturers from fully cashing in on a lucrative moment, when grain prices have soared to the highest in nearly a decade.

    The Purdue University/CME Group Ag Economy Barometer, a monthly measure of farmer economic sentiment, fell 10% to its lowest level since July 2020 in early October. Supply concerns are weighing heavily on growers, with 55% of farmers surveyed saying that low inventories have affected their plans to buy machinery.

    Access to steel, plastic, rubber and other raw materials has been scarce during the pandemic, and manufacturers are preparing for even more shocks after power shortages forced several Chinese smelters to cut production in recent weeks.

    When executives from farm machinery maker AGCO Corp (AGCO.N) visited Midwest suppliers this summer, they found some companies were operating at only 60% staffing levels, said Greg Toornman, who oversees AGCO’s global supply chain management.

    Toornman said staff levels are dropping at some suppliers in the Dakotas, Nebraska and Texas, as workers object to President Joe Biden's vaccine mandate, drop out of the workforce for fear of getting COVID-19 or move to other jobs.

    "It's the perfect storm of Tylenol moments," Toornman said. "It's one headache after another."

    The supply squeeze has put particular pressure on equipment dealerships, who typically see their service business boom during the traditional September through November harvest season.

    This year, some have resorted to sifting through decade-old inventory for solutions. One pain point for dealerships is an industry-wide shortage of GPS receivers, which are used to run tractor guidance and data systems.

    At Ag-Pro, the largest privately-owned Deere & Co dealership in North America, staff in Ohio have been digging out GPS units that date back to 2004. Until now, they were essentially worthless.

    But producers can still use them to record a digital harvest map of their farms – something many need when talking to their bankers, landlords and crop insurance agents.

    COMPONENTS TRIAGE

    Equipment manufacturers are faced with a painful choice this harvest season: Send parts to factories to build new tractors and combines to sell to farmers or redirect those parts into the field to repair broken equipment for existing customers?

    For AGCO and rival manufacturer CNH Industrial N.V. (CNHI.MI), the answer is the latter.

    "You can't afford not to support those customers in the field," AGCO's Toornman said. "When you're harvesting, timing is everything."

    CNH estimates that supply chain constraints ranging from increases in freight to higher raw materials prices have cost the company $1 billion.

    That lag has forced the company to turn some factory parking lots into storage lots. At CNH's combine plant in Grand Island, Nebraska, hundreds of unfinished combines sit outside, waiting for parts.

    Meanwhile, CNH is redirecting components that can be used on its Case IH and New Holland equipment to customers in the field, a company representative said.

    CNH has been signaling to dealers that supply chain problems and parts shortages for Case IH farm equipment are ongoing, according to Reuters interviews with six dealers. The manufacturer said in a statement it is meeting customer needs "the best we can given these unprecedented challenges."

    Deere said it is reorganizing shipping containers to make more room for goods, leasing extra cranes to expedite unloading ships at ports, and expanding its trucking fleet.

    But component shortages are "particularly challenging for farmers facing what is already a short window of time to harvest," said Luke Gakstatter, senior vice president of Deere's aftermarket and customer support.

    In some cases, the company has delivered unfinished machinery to customers. Missouri farmer Andy Kapp's brand new combine rolled off the assembly line missing some of the high-tech cameras that help provide the very efficiency he paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for.

    But he is using it anyway, and even has stocked up on some extra parts, in case the combine breaks down.

    "As you get toward the end of harvest, machinery and people get more tired," Kapp said. "It's a new machine. It won't surprise us if there are a few loose bolts."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua Foiritain View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by August View Post
    Unfortunately, I work at a place that doesn't include automatic cost of living increases in our contracts. I'm new here but from what I heard, the last time we had a general increase was maybe 7 years ago or even longer ago than that. That's trash.
    lol we just fucked over teachers in my country the same way. Unions allowed inflation correction to be removed and now they're getting a 2.25% raise (inflation is expected to be 2.4%) and their end of year bonus is going from 6.3% to 6.5%. People are very confused as to why the country always seems to be short on teachers.
    lol plebs i am getting 3.9%


    ow wai....

    we skipped last year or some shit, i cant keep up anymore its a clusterfuck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Crops are sitting unharvested in fields while combines can't get parts: https://www.reuters.com/world/the-gr...st-2021-10-12/

    Quoting because Reuters has introduced article limits:

    CHICAGO, Oct 12 (Reuters) - Dale Hadden cannot find any spare tires for his combine harvester. So the Illinois farmer told his harvest crew to avoid driving on the sides of roads this autumn to avoid metal scraps that could shred tires.

    New Ag Supply in Kansas is pleading with customers to order parts now for spring planting. And in Iowa, farmer Cordt Holub is locking up his machinery inside his barn each night, after thieves stole hard-to-find tractor parts from a local Deere & Co (DE.N) dealership.

    "You try to baby your equipment, but we're all at the mercy of luck right now," said Holub, a fourth-generation corn and soybean farmer in Buckingham, Iowa.

    Manufacturing meltdowns are hitting the U.S. heartland, as the semiconductor shortages that have plagued equipment makers for months expand into other components. Supply chain woes now pose a threat to the U.S. food supply and farmers' ability to get crops out of fields.

    Farmers say they are scrambling to find workarounds when their machinery breaks, tracking down local welders and mechanics. Growers looking to buy tractors and combines online are asking for close-up photos of the machine's tires, because replacements are expensive and difficult to find, said Greg Peterson, founder of the Machinery Pete website which hosts farm equipment auctions.

    "As harvest ends, we will see farmers at equipment auctions not for the machinery - but for parts," Peterson said. "We're already hearing from guys talking about buying a second planter or sprayer, just for parts."

    For some farmers, the shortages are forcing them to reuse - or repair - old parts.

    At their small welding shop in western Washington, Rami and Bob Warburton can barely keep up with all the orders from farmers needing something repaired from fittings for irrigation systems to a cracked bulldozer bucket.

    "We were in the middle of a drought up here," Rami Warburton said. "At that time, they couldn't wait to water their fields for a month. The crops will be dead by then."

    'TYLENOL MOMENTS'

    Kinks in the supply chain due to COVID-19 shutdowns in manufacturing hubs in the United States and Asia, a container shortage snarling major ports, and a dearth of workers prevent equipment manufacturers from fully cashing in on a lucrative moment, when grain prices have soared to the highest in nearly a decade.

    The Purdue University/CME Group Ag Economy Barometer, a monthly measure of farmer economic sentiment, fell 10% to its lowest level since July 2020 in early October. Supply concerns are weighing heavily on growers, with 55% of farmers surveyed saying that low inventories have affected their plans to buy machinery.

    Access to steel, plastic, rubber and other raw materials has been scarce during the pandemic, and manufacturers are preparing for even more shocks after power shortages forced several Chinese smelters to cut production in recent weeks.

    When executives from farm machinery maker AGCO Corp (AGCO.N) visited Midwest suppliers this summer, they found some companies were operating at only 60% staffing levels, said Greg Toornman, who oversees AGCO’s global supply chain management.

    Toornman said staff levels are dropping at some suppliers in the Dakotas, Nebraska and Texas, as workers object to President Joe Biden's vaccine mandate, drop out of the workforce for fear of getting COVID-19 or move to other jobs.

    "It's the perfect storm of Tylenol moments," Toornman said. "It's one headache after another."

    The supply squeeze has put particular pressure on equipment dealerships, who typically see their service business boom during the traditional September through November harvest season.

    This year, some have resorted to sifting through decade-old inventory for solutions. One pain point for dealerships is an industry-wide shortage of GPS receivers, which are used to run tractor guidance and data systems.

    At Ag-Pro, the largest privately-owned Deere & Co dealership in North America, staff in Ohio have been digging out GPS units that date back to 2004. Until now, they were essentially worthless.

    But producers can still use them to record a digital harvest map of their farms – something many need when talking to their bankers, landlords and crop insurance agents.

    COMPONENTS TRIAGE

    Equipment manufacturers are faced with a painful choice this harvest season: Send parts to factories to build new tractors and combines to sell to farmers or redirect those parts into the field to repair broken equipment for existing customers?

    For AGCO and rival manufacturer CNH Industrial N.V. (CNHI.MI), the answer is the latter.

    "You can't afford not to support those customers in the field," AGCO's Toornman said. "When you're harvesting, timing is everything."

    CNH estimates that supply chain constraints ranging from increases in freight to higher raw materials prices have cost the company $1 billion.

    That lag has forced the company to turn some factory parking lots into storage lots. At CNH's combine plant in Grand Island, Nebraska, hundreds of unfinished combines sit outside, waiting for parts.

    Meanwhile, CNH is redirecting components that can be used on its Case IH and New Holland equipment to customers in the field, a company representative said.

    CNH has been signaling to dealers that supply chain problems and parts shortages for Case IH farm equipment are ongoing, according to Reuters interviews with six dealers. The manufacturer said in a statement it is meeting customer needs "the best we can given these unprecedented challenges."

    Deere said it is reorganizing shipping containers to make more room for goods, leasing extra cranes to expedite unloading ships at ports, and expanding its trucking fleet.

    But component shortages are "particularly challenging for farmers facing what is already a short window of time to harvest," said Luke Gakstatter, senior vice president of Deere's aftermarket and customer support.

    In some cases, the company has delivered unfinished machinery to customers. Missouri farmer Andy Kapp's brand new combine rolled off the assembly line missing some of the high-tech cameras that help provide the very efficiency he paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for.

    But he is using it anyway, and even has stocked up on some extra parts, in case the combine breaks down.

    "As you get toward the end of harvest, machinery and people get more tired," Kapp said. "It's a new machine. It won't surprise us if there are a few loose bolts."
    This is why things are heating up over Tiawan atm - they produce around half of all semiconductors and if China makes a move they will be opposed because otherwise China would control nearly 3/4 of the global production.

    The above article is also why tractors from the 70s to 90s are still in demand - the ability to repair and maintain at a local level.

    I am looking at getting heavily into Rape. I am certain that Australia will move to a net-zero carbon emission target for 2050 so biofuel for diesel machinery will be needed. So a good Rape field would keep me powering along (assuming I am still alive in 29 years that is).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximillian View Post
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    Why is it that any inflation figures I see quoted are totally detached from the cost of living rises pretty much everybody I know is experiencing?

    Capitalism seems sustained by totally imaginary propagandised numbers at this point.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Hahaha mate if you think it's capitalism's fault ask anyone out of commie block what it's like to have notes get 0 added to them every month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Why is it that any inflation figures I see quoted are totally detached from the cost of living rises pretty much everybody I know is experiencing?

    Capitalism seems sustained by totally imaginary propagandised numbers at this point.
    Because the Fed does shitty things like using the substitution method and lumping in luxury travel (which was deeply discounted) to fudge their numbers. The Labor department doesn't do that, so they're seen as more accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
    Hahaha mate if you think it's capitalism's fault ask anyone out of commie block what it's like to have notes get 0 added to them every month.
    Before or after the wall fell? :totenthonk:

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
    Hahaha mate if you think it's capitalism's fault ask anyone out of commie block what it's like to have notes get 0 added to them every month.
    Before or after the wall fell? :totenthonk:
    You're still butthurt we stopped sending pork because Comecon forced us to? I heard it was really easy to stay fit in moscow during that time. Funny how sacrificing all those landowners, sorry, kulaks, on the altar of most benevolent system worked out in the end, isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
    Hahaha mate if you think it's capitalism's fault ask anyone out of commie block what it's like to have notes get 0 added to them every month.
    Before or after the wall fell? :totenthonk:
    Yes


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    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
    Hahaha mate if you think it's capitalism's fault ask anyone out of commie block what it's like to have notes get 0 added to them every month.
    Right so it's the former soviet union's fault that my cost of living in the UK is rising at a rate far beyond median wages? You realise contemporary capitalism and the soviet union can both be shit right?
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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