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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    Germans plagiarise like fuck to get Phds so why wouldn't their journalists do it? People seem to think of Germans as paragons of standards and practices when they're just as flawed and fucked up as the rest of us. Maybe a bit more sneaky about it though.
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    "A Systematic Analysis of Flawed Academic Standards in Federal Republic of Germany"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spawinte View Post
    Germans plagiarise like fuck to get Phds so why wouldn't their journalists do it? People seem to think of Germans as paragons of standards and practices when they're just as flawed and fucked up as the rest of us. Maybe a bit more sneaky about it though.
    source?
    The german companies I work with come with all their competitors products and test them first then modify their own product to fit.

    edit: literally no one else does this.

    edit edit: It's the difference between throwing brains at a problem and throwing money at a problem.

    edit edit edit: The Indian brain drain is real, they are all in freedomland working for 'murican of Japanese companies as far as I can tell.

    edit edit edit edit: Not so much for China... They are racist as hell as is any communist I've come across.
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    I'm not sure whether it's really a widespread problem in German academia, or rather it's a developing public perception issue on account of the series of high profile political incidents in the last decade.

    Former defence minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg resigned in 2011 after it was found he copied large parts of his thesis, word for word, from others. That scandal garnered international media attention and resulted in his resignation from ministry, his seat, the loss of his PhD title and a twenty thousand euro fine in lieu of continued prosecution.

    Also in 2011 a then vice-president of the European Parliament, MEP Silvana Koch-Mehrin of the Free Democrats (FDP) was investigated for possible plagiarism in her university thesis. She resigned later that year as chairperson of the FDP in the European Parliament and as vice-president of the European Parliament, her doctorate title also rescinded by the issuing university.

    Then in 2013 the German Education Minister (el oh el) Annette Schavan resigned after a university stripped her of her doctorate for plagiarism.



    I recall reading a good in-depth analysis around that time to do with the psychology surrounding the high social value imparted on doctorate titles in Germany but apparently I didn't save it in my records, however one of the BBC articles on Schavan has this little article included which touches on it:

    Quote Originally Posted by By Stephen Evans, BBC News

    Germany's biggest selling newspaper, Bild, said that the education minister being caught plagiarising was as though the finance minister was revealed to have a secret Swiss bank account or the transport minister being caught drinking and driving.

    Germany has some form when it comes to politicians and plagiarism. The latest scandal follows that of Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, who was similarly caught with sections of his dissertation being the work of others. It led to him being dubbed in the press Dr Cut-and-Paste and Dr zu Googleberg.

    These cases occur in Germany partly because of the German obsession with titles. German politicians take them very seriously, seeing them as a mark of intellectual respectability. It is not uncommon, for example, for a professor with two doctorates to expect to be called 'Professor, Doctor, Doctor'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparq View Post
    I'm not sure whether it's really a widespread problem in German academia, or rather it's a developing public perception issue on account of the series of high profile political incidents in the last decade.
    I was wondering if you were refering to some current study or similar or the half dozen to dozen (and this is me mentally combining Germany and Austria) more or less prolific cases of persons of public interest getting their Masters/PhD thesis from the 70s/80s/90s (before plagriarism detection software) getting criticised publically; p. much anyone who got under scrutiny in the past five to ten years at least had "sloppy referencing" when getting looked at retroactively.

    Guess what? BINGO, it's the former.

    You're not completely wrong, but what you are referring to is neither a german specialty (as you make it out to be) or as widespread as you try display it.

    After the initial craze of re-checking theses of more 'colourful' politicians, the interest as well as great revelations died down p. quickly, combined with a several attempts of questioning the capabilities of newly-appointed political newcomers (which was arguably fueled a 100% by the attention the Guttenberg scandal gathered, and Guttenberg was already a 'controversial figure') via their masters theses failing because there was not enough cause to revoke their diploma; or rather (usually) a case of "eh, not really super-clean academic work but pretty much par on course with how it was at the time, standards are much higher now in the age of the internet and the capability to check for plagiarism".

    It also really isn't a topic anymore. The most prolific case, Theodor Guttenberg, fell out of public and political favour quite quickly and is nowadays a persona-somewhat-non-grata in Germany.

    I'd also like to see examples of other countries in comparison where persons of public interest got so much flak for their academic shortcuts years to decades before they became politically relevant that they actually had to quit office. I have a slight suspicion that Germany would actually be at the forefront of countries where such shenanigans can have great repercussions, years down the line, for the people getting caught at it.

    Which leads me to:

    tl;dr: Hyperbole combined with stereotypes. Kthxbye.


    [Probably not the most readable syntax because I am slightly drunk and made some clumsy edits]
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    eh? I'm not saying plagiarism is somehow a "German speciality". Nor am I implying it's widespread. I cited three events in a decade and even then from a very narrow sample population. I raise them because Spawinte said "Germans plagiarise like fuck to get Phds so why wouldn't their journalists do it?" not because I agree, but as commentary on why there might be some perception of that at large because of stereotyping that may have come about because of how those scandals were seen outside Germany - not that it's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparq View Post
    eh? I'm not saying plagiarism is somehow a "German speciality". Nor am I implying it's widespread. I cited three events in a decade and even then from a very narrow sample population. I raise them because Spawinte said "Germans plagiarise like fuck to get Phds so why wouldn't their journalists do it?" not because I agree, but as commentary on why there might be some perception of that at large because of stereotyping that may have come about because of how those scandals were seen outside Germany - not that it's true.
    I confused you with Spawinte, my apologies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenta View Post
    edit edit edit edit: Not so much for China... They are racist as hell as is any communist I've come across.
    What the fuck do those two things have to do with each other?

    It's the little things pointing out how dumb you are in your posts, i love it.

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    The only person who has ever called me a "foreigner" in my own country was chinese.
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    foreign cunt

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatFreddy View Post
    The only person who has ever called me a "foreigner" in my own country was chinese.
    Yes, chinese are quite often absolute cunts (god i have some stories from here in korea about them), but what the fuck does it have to do with communism beside Tellenta being such a dumb cunt he has to drag that into everything?

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    get fed a steady diet of nationalism and you think you're superior to everyone else i guess

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    german online stores also usually have a mandatory box for a title and usually include things like professor and doctor, just because of germany...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenta View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spawinte View Post
    Germans plagiarise like fuck to get Phds so why wouldn't their journalists do it? People seem to think of Germans as paragons of standards and practices when they're just as flawed and fucked up as the rest of us. Maybe a bit more sneaky about it though.
    source?
    The german companies I work with come with all their competitors products and test them first then modify their own product to fit.

    edit: literally no one else does this.

    edit edit: It's the difference between throwing brains at a problem and throwing money at a problem.

    edit edit edit: The Indian brain drain is real, they are all in freedomland working for 'murican of Japanese companies as far as I can tell.

    edit edit edit edit: Not so much for China... They are racist as hell as is any communist I've come across.
    >Tellenta thinks China is communist in the year of our lord 2018

    absolute retard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FatFreddy View Post
    The only person who has ever called me a "foreigner" in my own country was chinese.
    Yes, chinese are quite often absolute cunts (god i have some stories from here in korea about them), but what the fuck does it have to do with communism beside Tellenta being such a dumb cunt he has to drag that into everything?
    It was just an anecdote, written late at night after coming home from a birthday pissup

    Also it wasn't said as a slur, just habit I presume(d).
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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    >Tellenta thinks China is communist in the year of our lord 2018

    absolute retard
    To be honest we may as well redefine "communist" as state capitalist and get it over with.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    >Tellenta thinks China is communist in the year of our lord 2018

    absolute retard
    To be honest we may as well redefine "communist" as state capitalist and get it over with.
    Isn't that just socialism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spawinte View Post
    Germans plagiarise like fuck to get Phds so why wouldn't their journalists do it? People seem to think of Germans as paragons of standards and practices when they're just as flawed and fucked up as the rest of us. Maybe a bit more sneaky about it though.
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    Are you accusing him of plagarism?
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    Socialism is an umbrella term for ideology against private ownership of the means of production. Pretty much all the leftist infighting is derived from arguing about whether centralising ownership of capital into a state bureaucracy becomes functionally the same as keeping ownership private. (hint: it does, the opposite of private ownership is democratic ownership, not party ownership)
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenta View Post
    They are racist as hell as is any communist I've come across.
    This is not so surprising when you look at Stalin et al.

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    https://globalnews.ca/news/4788724/d...vest-protests/

    A man died in southern France on Friday when his car hit a truck at a road block erected by “Yellow Vest” protesters, raising the death toll linked to the anti-government demonstrations to 10, the authorities said on Saturday.
    This is one of the actual deaths I've seen so far, somewhat surprised it's as high as 10.

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