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    More or less, we have to wait and see what coalition forms but it will be mostly the same as before. The hope is D66 having won more seats will allow them to demand more enviornment related concessions from the VVD and maybe we can get on course towards achieving some climate targets in the 2040s or 50s.



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    Do party leaders change often or is it usually the same personalities involved in each coalition?
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua Foiritain View Post
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    https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/0...ion-live-blog/

    TLDR: all center/right parties gain seats, even Geert Wilders PVV, Rutte's party the biggest winner.

    The losers? The left/green parties
    -3 seats is gaining seats eh
    Yeah it looked like PVV was going to gain seats but they didn't, FVD (another right wing party) took seats from them and from the left leaning parties. Thanks for the factcheck!

    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua Foiritain View Post
    Sadly the left got fucking destroyed. Its going to be intetesting to see if D66 can actually get the VVD to shift more to the middle or whether VVD is going to maneuver them into being yes men. Given how easily Rutte outplays everyone else im not optimistic.
    I mean Jesse Klaver and the other party leaders are fucking clowns so it's no surprise the left got destroyed
    The fact that such a small country has ten plus political parties is pretty wild, what's the main difference between PVV and FVD? It looks like if you enjoy being a right wing nutter but don't enjoy knitting you'd form a new party.
    Dutch people dont like agreeing to shit so we just make more parties. There were 37 parties in total this election though most obviously dont get enough votes to qualify for a seat.

    As for those parties; The PVV hates non-white people and wants them out of the country but doesnt really do much of anything and mostly exists so their leader can collect 10k/month salary. FVD was originally about racial segregation/restart the trains/gas the jews (but dressing it up in fancy words obv). Whatsapp chats got leaked that blew a rather big hole in their 'were not nazis the MSM are trying to silence us with labels and cancel culture!!!' excuse, people got mad, the party fractured and ~80% of their supporters fucked off. They decided to switch to a corona isnt real/THEYN TAKING OLUR FREEDOM focus instead to try and recover but i assume theyll get back to the racism thing once the corona is gone.
    And entirely unsurprisingly the fractured of part formed a new party, that is the same racial segregation/restart the trains/gas the jews bullshit, but just less open about it.

    At this point the only real difference between the right wing parties is their level of comfort with openly stating their hatred for blacks and browns.

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    Take it with a truckload of salt.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Take it with a truckload of salt.

    While it would be nice to see CDU and SPD brought down a notch without nazis or the SED gaining votes... sadly I must admit that the Greens getting a boost means more replacing of scary nuclear with safe coal and clean Russian gas. 1000ppm by 2100 lets go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    Greens getting a boost means more replacing of scary nuclear with safe coal and clean Russian gas.
    wot

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
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    Greens getting a boost means more replacing of scary nuclear with safe coal and clean Russian gas.
    wot
    While I don't agree with his analysis, the German Green Party grew from the anti-war and anti-nuclear movement. But we already decided to stop using nuclear and are phasing out coal as well. My hometown is in the heart of a coal region and they will stop within the next few years. They started a few infrastructure programs along with using state companies and institutions to create jobs. The Deutsche Bahn is moving even more train repair capabilities into the city, the military and federal police will move barracks into the region and the uni will get a medical school, the first in the state.

    So no, there will be no expansion of coal, but nuclear is also out. I don't know how they will deal with gas, but their goal is 100% renewables anyway.

    Not sure how I feel about calling Die Linke the SED. There are arguments for and against it.
    nevar forget

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    I hope Germany's retardation about nuclear will remain confined to that country and they will stop trying to pressure other European countries to shut down nuclear.


    Oh, who am I kidding, of course they won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradox View Post
    Obviously these events are just figures of our imaginations:


    Tjernobyl



    Fukushima



    And remember - Nuclear is the most expensive power/kwh you can manufacture (as long as you count all costs).
    The ONLY way to build them is if the state gives huge subsidiaries and loan guarantees (which is a cost).

    There is no private companies that can build a nuclear power plant without going into bancrupcy (AAA+ will immediately turn to BBB upon announcing the project).

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    Oh dear if private companies won't do it surely it should never be done!
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Get a lot of tsunamis in germany do you?

    What happened at Chernobyl is physically impossible with current generation nuclear plant design


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradox View Post
    Get a lot of tsunamis in germany do you?

    What happened at Chernobyl is physically impossible with current generation nuclear plant design
    Yes yes, case other accidents haven't happened?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclea..._and_incidents

    January 21, 1969 Lucens reactor, Vaud, Switzerland On January 21, 1969, it suffered a loss-of-coolant accident, leading to meltdown of one fuel element and radioactive contamination of the cavern, which before was sealed.
    December 7, 1975 Greifswald, East Germany Electrical error in Greifswald Nuclear Power Plant causes fire in the main trough that destroys control lines and five main coolant pumps
    January 5, 1976 Jaslovské Bohunice, Czechoslovakia Malfunction during fuel replacement. Fuel rod ejected from reactor into the reactor hall by coolant (CO2).[31]
    March 28, 1979 Three Mile Island, Pennsylvania, United States Loss of coolant and partial core meltdown due to operator errors and technical flaws. There is a small release of radioactive gases. See also Three Mile Island accident health effects.
    September 15, 1984 Athens, Alabama, United States Safety violations, operator error and design problems force a six-year outage at Browns Ferry Unit 2.
    March 9, 1985 Athens, Alabama, United States Instrumentation systems malfunction during startup, which led to suspension of operations at all three Browns Ferry Units
    April 11, 1986 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States Recurring equipment problems force emergency shutdown of Boston Edison's Pilgrim Nuclear Power Plant
    April 26, 1986 Chernobyl, Chernobyl Raion (Now Ivankiv Raion), Kiev Oblast, Ukraininan SSR, Soviet Union A flawed reactor design and inadequately trained personnel led to a failed backup generator test. This test led to a power surge which overheated the fuel rods of reactor no. 4 of the Chernobyl power plant, causing an explosion and meltdown, necessitating the evacuation of 300,000 people and dispersing radioactive material across Europe (see Effects of the Chernobyl disaster). Around 5% (5200 PBq) of the core was released into the atmosphere and downwind.
    28 direct, 19 not entirely related and 15 children due to thyroid cancer, as of 2008.[32][33] Estimated up to 4,000 possible cancer deaths.
    May 4, 1986 Hamm-Uentrop, West Germany Experimental THTR-300 reactor releases small amounts of fission products (0.1 GBq Co-60, Cs-137, Pa-233) to surrounding area
    December 9, 1986 Surry, Virginia, United States Feedwater pipe break at Surry Nuclear Power Plant kills 4 workers
    March 31, 1987 Delta, Pennsylvania, United States Peach Bottom units 2 and 3 shutdown due to cooling malfunctions and unexplained equipment problems
    December 19, 1987 Lycoming, New York, United States Malfunctions force Niagara Mohawk Power Corporation to shut down Nine Mile Point Unit
    March 17, 1989 Lusby, Maryland, United States Inspections at Calvert Cliff Units 1 and 2 reveal cracks at pressurized heater sleeves, forcing extended shutdowns
    October 19, 1989 Vandellòs, Spain A fire damaged the cooling system in unit 1 of the Vandellòs nuclear power plant, getting the core close to meltdown. The cooling system was restored before the meltdown but the unit had to be shut down due to the elevated cost of the repair.
    March 1992 Sosnovyi Bor, Leningrad Oblast, Russia An accident at the Sosnovy Bor nuclear plant leaked radioactive iodine into the air through a ruptured fuel channel.
    February 20, 1996 Waterford, Connecticut, United States Leaking valve forces shutdown Millstone Nuclear Power Plant Units 1 and 2, multiple equipment failures found
    September 2, 1996 Crystal River, Florida, United States Balance-of-plant equipment malfunction forces shutdown and extensive repairs at Crystal River Unit
    September 30, 1999 Ibaraki Prefecture, Japan Tokaimura nuclear accident killed two workers, and exposed one more to radiation levels above permissible limits.
    February 16, 2002 Oak Harbor, Ohio, United States Severe corrosion of reactor vessel head forces 24-month outage of Davis-Besse reactor
    April 10, 2003 Paks, Hungary Collapse of fuel rods at Paks Nuclear Power Plant unit 2 during its corrosion cleaning led to leakage of radioactive gases. It remained inactive for 18 months.
    August 9, 2004 Fukui Prefecture, Japan Steam explosion at Mihama Nuclear Power Plant kills 4 workers and injures 7 more
    July 25, 2006 Forsmark, Sweden An electrical fault at Forsmark Nuclear Power Plant caused multiple failures in safety systems that had the reactor to cool down
    March 11, 2011 Fukushima, Japan A tsunami flooded and damaged the plant's 3 active reactors, drowning two workers. Loss of backup electrical power led to overheating, meltdowns, and evacuations.[36] One man died suddenly while carrying equipment during the clean-up.[37] The plant's reactors Nr. 4, 5 and 6 were inactive at the time.
    and 3+ labour accidents; plus a broader number of primarily ill or elderly people from evacuation stress
    September 12, 2011 Marcoule, France One person was killed and four injured, one seriously, in a blast at the Marcoule Nuclear Site. The explosion took place in a furnace used to melt metallic waste.

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    That's a pretty good record when you consider fossil fuels are leading to hot house earth and ecosystem collapse.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    That's a pretty good record when you consider fossil fuels are leading to hot house earth and ecosystem collapse.
    Its so convenient that there are no other options......

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    I am curious when you good people think nuclear plants should be decommissioned. Quite a few plants in Europe were designed in the 1950s and built in the early 1960s, should their "permits" be extended for as long as they pass the necessary tests?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    And remember - Nuclear is the most expensive power/kwh you can manufacture (as long as you count all costs).
    The ONLY way to build them is if the state gives huge subsidiaries and loan guarantees (which is a cost).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbeJIwF1pVY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    That's a pretty good record when you consider fossil fuels are leading to hot house earth and ecosystem collapse.
    Its so convenient that there are no other options......
    Name it. There are always downsides to a particular power source. Currently renewables simply aren't up to the task of providing base load. And they probably never will be. Especially in the northern countries of Europe.

    Quote Originally Posted by GeromeDoutrande View Post
    I am curious when you good people think nuclear plants should be decommissioned. Quite a few plants in Europe were designed in the 1950s and built in the early 1960s, should their "permits" be extended for as long as they pass the necessary tests?
    Depends on the design itself. Some should be decomissioned asap some not. Id honestly ask the experts on that.


    

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeekar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    That's a pretty good record when you consider fossil fuels are leading to hot house earth and ecosystem collapse.
    Its so convenient that there are no other options......
    Name it. There are always downsides to a particular power source. Currently renewables simply aren't up to the task of providing base load. And they probably never will be. Especially in the northern countries of Europe.

    Quote Originally Posted by GeromeDoutrande View Post
    I am curious when you good people think nuclear plants should be decommissioned. Quite a few plants in Europe were designed in the 1950s and built in the early 1960s, should their "permits" be extended for as long as they pass the necessary tests?
    Depends on the design itself. Some should be decomissioned asap some not. Id honestly ask the experts on that.
    Yeah the older designs are varying levels of fit for purpose and should be phased out as possible.

    If we want to make a transition to green energy we are going to have to make it so cheap that it would be irrational for everyone to not use it. The only way to generate such a surplus that electricity becomes practically free is with nuclear power. Investment in current and next generation plant design and actually building the things in quantity should be a priority for governments everywhere.


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    One problem that I am concerned about is that commercial incentives for extending the life of old plants is so high given the earnings potential and the high costs of decommissioning that there is enormous potential for lobbying to lower or not increase technical requirements for recertification etc. On the other hand these "old plants" have obviously been quite safe so far seeing as Europe is not predominantly a radioactive wasteland.

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