[PVE] Nighthawk

[Rania Serlia]

[Nighthawk, L4]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Gist A-Type Explosion Dampening Field

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Small Tractor Beam I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Warrior II x5


Cookie cutter passive setup used for half asleep/semi afk RF angel/guristas/serp missions(obv swap hardners as needed), can swap in a third spr for a BCU if more tank is desired/you're sleepy. I like the nighthawk because it kills small and med targets really fast which helps in a lot of missions compared to a cruise raven. Been meaning to swap in some T2 CDFP, but CBA/tank rarely fails vs intended targets except in extremely high dps rooms(and then with 3x CN bcu you can generally kill fast enough it's not an issue). I use a fleet phoon for lazor toting rats due to lolkinetic bonus.
700-900 odd dps tanked vs angels(and serps/guristas are lol with a T2 tank fit), 463/517 dps depending on low config. I carry Fury missiles(639 dps) mainly for Haborak Moon(EM torpedos make ex/kin tank cry) and some BS heavy rooms, but it's more of a luxury TBH.

In before lol, who would train HML spec 5 and commandships V to get maxed dps numbers max in this ship. Because I'm guilty as charged(obv useful for other persuits as well though).

[Elmnt80]

This may sound odd, but I've been using an afterburner on the passive fit and having it provide some benefit. I realize how absurd this sounds given that in all cases another hardener would perform better, but I can't argue with the results. My nighthawk seems to tank stuff better with a notable difference when using the afterburner compared to not using one.

[Rudolf Miller]

I thought the tengu was better than the nighthawk in almost every conceivable way?

[Helen]

This may sound odd, but I've been using an afterburner on the passive fit and having it provide some benefit. I realize how absurd this sounds given that in all cases another hardener would perform better, but I can't argue with the results. My nighthawk seems to tank stuff better with a notable difference when using the afterburner compared to not using one.

AB helps a lot as the speed increase provides a good deal of damage mitigation.

I thought the tengu was better than the nighthawk in almost every conceivable way?

Yeah pretty much but for some reason people persist with them. Either because they view passive tanking as the be and end all of PvE and they want a T2 Drake or they simply don't know better.

[Elmnt80]

I figured the sig boost from the rigs and extenders would make any sort of mitigation by speed completely pointless. Also, Its half the cost of a tengu and is a ferox hull. Who doesn't love that?

[Helen]

You need to learn how speed mitigates missile damage.
Also cost for pve is barely a factor these days for preformance bar officer fit nightmares and you actually like the ferox hull? :s

[Rania Serlia]

I have commandships 5 and my caldari subs skills at l1(lol, minmatar superior). I have no real desire to change this in the near future.

I've had my nighthawk(black ferox hull is sexy btw) since 2007. It's been passive tanked for as long as rigs have existed(large T1 purgers, yo).

Compared to an active pimp boosting tengu, I know I lose out on a few deeps(maybe 25% depending on the fit, but hey, I can deal, I still do almost all PVE with T1 ammoz, when I bother to PVE). I prolly lose out on a bit of tank, but I can fit fully passive(deadspace amps are p. cheap) for those late night grindfests(real risk of falling asleep at keyboard, l4s are bad for this) where it's just me grinding LP for some obtuse arbitrary goal in between taking breaks from eve(which happens often since I've been playing). I've rarely felt the tank on my(generally T2) nighthawk is insufficient for any l4. There are a few times I've forgotten to turn hardners on(late night missions), or tanked the wrong damage(late night missions), or forgotten to refit after a previous mission(ok, I have insomnia).

I'm not at a significant risk of someone suicide ganking my stupidly high ehp nighthawk for a couple hundred mils in CN BCUs and the fit needs no other pimp to really stack up to a deadspace boosting tengu or decently fitted raven decently well.

I would rather sink money into PVP rather than PVE. This is the clincher. The ship is relatively cheap and easy to replace should misfortune strike. No, I don't fly it for every mission I've done(haven't done any at all lately TBH), and on my main I also rather enjoy the Maelstrom and Fleet Typhoon as well, both not terribly expensively fitted. Note that I don't consider it's killing rate sufficient for 0.0 NPCing(plexes/anoms) as srs. business.

Anyways, for me personally, for those few advantages I'm willing to keep my nighthawk in the dusty corner of my hangar as my reserve moneymaker, rather than buy some pimp shiny new tengu that can do 10-20% better for 20 times the cost plus excess skilling.

[Sponk]

Step away from the parentheses. Yo.

[Shin_getter]

So, now all we need is a perfect omnipassive FoF fit for "I'm to drunk to play eve" moments?

edit: fit posted:


[Nighthawk, Nighthawk AFK]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II
Dread Guristas Magnetic Scattering Amplifier
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Hydra F.O.F. Heavy Missile I
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Hydra F.O.F. Heavy Missile I
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Hydra F.O.F. Heavy Missile I
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Hydra F.O.F. Heavy Missile I
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Hydra F.O.F. Heavy Missile I
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Hydra F.O.F. Heavy Missile I
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Purger II
Medium Core Defence Field Purger II


532 omni-passive tank, 360 missile dps....

[Helen]

[Elmnt80]

You need to learn how speed mitigates missile damage.
Also cost for pve is barely a factor these days for preformance bar officer fit nightmares and you actually like the ferox hull? :s

I understand it. Like I said, I always figured the sig bloom from the various shield extenders and rigs would make it so that you had a much greater benefit from another hardener or something similar. As far as cost goes, I keep losing tengus at about the same rate they pay themselves off, so I figured I'd give the NH a try and see how I like it. And I've liked the ferox hull so much more then the drake hull ever since I started.

[Helen]

How do you even lose a Tengu in PvE?

[Elmnt80]

I've lost a few to unconsentual PVP even though I don't pimp them enough to be able to make a profit off of them. And one to the amarr cosmos mission with the way overpowered battlehips.

[Sparkus Volundar]

Damn those OP battlehips...

I was talking to a mate who fancied a NH with a gank link alongside logi. I'm thinking a tengu with a warfare processor could be nice but this ship's cheaper and available.

Anyone have feedback on the fit please?

[Nighthawk, Link Edition]
True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10 MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Target Painter II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II


Hobgoblin II x5

658 dps with scourge fury and hobgobs.
536 dps with scourge and hobgobs.
Rigor bonus: 38%.
'Flare' bonus: 25%.
Resists (EM-Therm-Kin-Exp): 75-74-80-84.

Edit: If you don't strickly need the Tengu bonus to link effectiveness (or were going to use a different flavour of link), the above NK seems to have more firepower and apply it better.

[Tengu, Link Edition]
Reactor Control Unit II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10 MN Afterburner II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Target Painter II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Tengu Defensive - Warfare Processor
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

634 dps with scourge fury.
495 dps with scourge.
Rigor bonus: 20%.
Flare bonus: 20%.
Resists (EM-Therm-Kin-Exp): 72-74-80-84.

[Ralara]

How do you even lose a Tengu in PvE?

*cough*

[Samp]

[Nighthawk, Lv4 active]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x5

I've found that working rather well on (Caldari) level fours. Change hardeners for mission ofc, especialy Sanchas. The Nighthawk does have somehting the Tengu doesn't which is a bonus vs smaller targets. I haven't missioned in a tengu TBH, but meh I have CS V and the shield boosters fall out of high sec sites, so I thought I'd give it a go. With the right hardeners and (under extreme agro everything by accident) DPS the tank hasn't broken with the AB on. Whether the time you gain on the small stuff you loose on the battleships vs using a raven or somehting I'm not sure. The only time I've resorted to furys is for killing the station on roden ship yard mission. The vollies are over 2000 dammage and I have meh missle skills.

Although it does work solo, I tend to mission with two accounts and I think this is where the ship works best - decent DPS vs BS and excelent speed vs smaller targets make it especaly good in supporting another DPS ship.

I put the missle rig on for more DPS vs BS, but I'm not sure it was the best choice, I'm pretty new to missles. If you pimp the shield boost amp you could probably just rock invulns and never bother swapping hardeners (mabye not for sanchas I guess).

[Sponk]

[Nighthawk, Lv4 active]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

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Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tech 1 damage rig will be stacking nerfed through all four BCSs. Try tech 2 ROF and/or T2 rigor catalyst.