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    [PVP] Drake

    [Drake, HAMs]
    Damage Control II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II

    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Warp Scrambler II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator

    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


    Warrior II x5

    needs a 1% powergrid implant.


    [Drake, HMLs]
    Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II

    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Invulnerability Field II
    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
    Invulnerability Field II
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


    Warrior II x5


    podla style nano drake:


    [Drake, nanoez]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Large Shield Extender II
    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Warp Disruptor II
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Drone Link Augmentor I

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


    Warrior II x5

    my pvp course is on hold atm until after AT unless you make me an offer I cant resist. sorry

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    Re: Drake

    Quote Originally Posted by Podcat
    [Drake, nanoez]
    I'd switch an extender rig for a T2 EM resist. They aren't too expensive, and overall EHP barely drops compared to the 3rd extender.
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    Re: Drake

    I'd spring for the 3% implant and fit the HAMdrake:

    [Drake, HAMDrakeDCII]
    Damage Control II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Large Shield Extender II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
    Stasis Webifier II

    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


    Warrior II x5


    It's 3k EHP, but still... it's an extra 3k EHP...
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    Re: Drake

    What about droppng the third BCU for for a PDS? You lose about 50 DPS, but it solves the PG issues, allows you to fit a token small neut in the utility highslot, adds a little tank and even helps MWD cap stability:-

    [Drake, MWD LSE]
    Damage Control II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Power Diagnostic System II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Large Shield Extender II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Warp Scrambler II
    Stasis Webifier II

    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Small Energy Neutralizer II

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

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    Re: Drake

    Generally I dislike having any less than 3 BCU's on a drake. Just feels like I wouldn't be taking advantage of the awesome slot layout using a pds or whatever.

    You can sneak 3 BCU and full tackle on a drake if you use a pair of meta 4 extenders:


    [Drake, New Setup 1]
    Damage Control II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    Faint Warp Disruptor I
    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Invulnerability Field II

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


    Hobgoblin II x5


    Or alternately you can go for 3 bcu, 100k ehp overheated if you use a cpu implant. It only has a scram though so it's more of a gang ship.

    [Drake, gank & tank]
    Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Invulnerability Field II
    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Invulnerability Field II
    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


    Hobgoblin II x5

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    Re: Drake

    Quote Originally Posted by mistersparky
    What about droppng the third BCU for for a PDS?
    Triple BCS HAM Drake without a PG implant can come out as:

    [Drake, HAM]
    Damage Control II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    Warp Disruptor II
    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II

    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

    You've got PG spare for a small neut or something, but yuo'd need to find CPU from somewhere.

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    Re: Drake

    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsio
    Quote Originally Posted by mistersparky
    What about droppng the third BCU for for a PDS?
    Triple BCS HAM Drake without a PG implant can come out as:

    [Drake, HAM]
    Damage Control II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    Warp Disruptor II
    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II

    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

    You've got PG spare for a small neut or something, but yuo'd need to find CPU from somewhere.
    endless subversion fit i believe?

    either way i am still torn between hams and heavies

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    Re: Drake

    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Fasces
    either way i am still torn between hams and heavies
    Well, it depends entirely on what you plan on doing with it. :V

    When I used to be actively plundering wormholes (Hole Plunderers really needs some reviving, good tiems), the HAMDRAEK was an excellent package of DPS while mitigating the mass restrictions (both the per-jump limit and the danger of collapsing a hole of unknown health) that can make a BS unattractive and the targets tended to be mostly of the BC/BS variety so you'd usually hit well with HAMs and quite often also with Rage ammo.


    And yeah, 3% grid implant fit 4lyf~ though you can make valid arguments for most variants.

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    Re: Drake

    Quote Originally Posted by Pacefalm
    Quote Originally Posted by Podcat
    [Drake, nanoez]
    I'd switch an extender rig for a T2 EM resist. They aren't too expensive, and overall EHP barely drops compared to the 3rd extender.

    if your worried about resists go with an invuln instead of the second extender, i personally prefer that version of the nano drake better all around resists with more efhp(not to mention you can heat the invuln for a good deal more as well). I prefer a small neut to a drone link but can see the use for the drone link in a gang where your not being primary tackle. This is what I use fora throwaway nano drake.

    [Drake, nanoez invuln]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Large Shield Extender II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Warp Disruptor II
    Stasis Webifier II
    Stasis Webifier II

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Small Energy Neutralizer II

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


    Warrior II x5
    ( i prefer the stronger t2/fleeting webs i know many prefer x5 to keep costs/cpu down)

    Quote Originally Posted by Smabs
    Or alternately you can go for 3 bcu, 100k ehp overheated if you use a cpu implant. It only has a scram though so it's more of a gang ship.

    [Drake, gank & tank]
    Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Invulnerability Field II
    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Invulnerability Field II
    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


    Hobgoblin II x5
    you dont need the em-rig on that fit, just use a 3rd extender it gives you a good 5k more efhp and you can overheat to 108k which is a 7k efhp increase.

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    Re: Drake

    Actually... yeah that's true, 3 core defense would be fine with double invulns. I guess I'm just used to plugging the horrible em resists on most shield ships.

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    Re: Drake

    Disclaimer: I have not actually flown this yet, it is just a fit I liked for versatility in Losec Small Gang/ Solo work. And Theoretically, it serves as VERY effective bait, and can fight effectively at long and short ranges. Meta 4 Web is due to CPU issues.

    [Drake, Brick]
    Damage Control II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Power Diagnostic System II
    Power Diagnostic System II

    10MN MicroWarpdrive II
    Large Shield Extender II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Warp Disruptor II
    Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


    Hobgoblin II x5

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    Re: Drake

    I don't like it because it does nothing but bait. And since many players still think single drake = bait (and often enough, it still is) there's no surprise effect like the 700 DPS that HAM drake you're ignoring in your target calling puts out.
    I also doubt that a single medium neut will actually change the outcome of anythign worthwhile and again, by crippling your fit to shoehorn it on you're crippling your ability to do anything for your gang except bait. Which completely ignores the drakes versatility and ability to actually be a contributing member of the gang.
    IF you abolutely want a heavy tackle / bait, I'd go with scram and double web as well as ECM drones. Get people into scram range when they try to bump you off gates.
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    Re: Drake

    Best drake:

    hi:
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    Med:
    /
    Low:
    /

    Then come to tama and please be slow to warp your pod
    psycho freak > BBC fleet


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    Re: Drake

    Quote Originally Posted by BOOLER
    Best drake:

    hi:
    /
    Med:
    /
    Low:
    /

    Then come to tama and please be slow to warp your pod
    Booler loves his drakes, i don't know any other person with as many hours spent flying one

    Also, above HAM-drake fit can be really fun, you get away with closing on a large amount of small fragile things since they don't expect full tackle and 600ish dps
    Sure, the brutix can squeeze out a bit more raw deeps, and heavys make you more flexible in what and how you can choose to fight, but the suprise factor and ability to be of some sort of use in a small-scale gang is lots more then what one might expect out of those things

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    Re: Drake

    Getting my alt into a pvp drake, using HML's cos I get more dps out of them with her skills.

    However, I can't decide between 1 LSE and 2 Invulns, or 2 LSE and 1 Invuln

    I get more shield HP out of 2LSE, but it seems common to go 2 Invuln... So which is best?

    edit: She's not gonna be doing anything fancy, just small gang jarhead-hitapproachF1F2F3-pvp.

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    Re: Drake

    If you're using scimis, then the 2x invuln will be moar popular/effective among their pilots. If you're finding yourself in gangs with less logis then more raw HP>lower resists. A draek with one LSE and BC IV still has moar ehp than most things they'll be repping anyways(curses, cynabals, vagabonds and so on).

    Chiming in for the hamdraek, it's the only pvp fit draek I'll fly. According to eft, I used double webs instead of double invulns, but otherwise the same fit as podcats. Kinda works like a blaster fer0x in a small gang since you'll never be primary and can do a suprising amount of deeps. Solo it kinda works like a brick that any AB+scramfit can run from(thus dualweb).
    I consider myself to be a sovereign space holding entity, however the simple fact is that my sphere of influence rarely if ever extends beyond the optimal+falloff*2 of my ship's turrets.

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    so you have your standard podla style nano dual web drake of win:



    [Drake, dual web dual nano]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Large Shield Extender II
    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    Warp Disruptor II

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Small Energy Neutralizer II

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


    Warrior II x5


    with max skills and loki links it has 58k ehp and will get hit nicely by an arty cane or tempest or geddon whatever at 30k (rough point range)

    to avoid these large gay ships you can drop a web for a td (or a damp lol). however this means you are terribu at killing and tackling smaller stuff like inties and more importantly VAGABONDS AND CYNABALS. a single web will lose you a kill if the vaga or cyn pilot isnt a moron (and knows how to simply MWD away from you)


    you can also swap a web for a scram giving you amazing anti tackle and also anti shield cane/vaga/cyn as it has a 15k scram with heat.

    my proposal is this:

    for gang work i would fit a mix bag of drakes (mostly dual web or web scram / the others web td)

    however for solo work i am thinking that you cannot cover enough bases with only 2 slots devoted to ewar (dopple web)

    therefore i propose to drop the name LSE and adding in a td. this will give you dual web AND a td meaning you are a hurricane killing beast. infact anything with medium guns is not gonna hit you hard at 30k. you can also dual web a frig and tracking speed disrupt it to stop it from killing your drones whilst you munch on it with warriors allowing for both higher eDPS against frigs and greater staying power against turret using ships.

    the problem is that you drop to 47k ehp to do so.

    its a basic trade off between 10k ehp (a 17% drop in ehp roughly) for amazing ewar potential and also ability to take on more at once before your buffer runs out.


    the increased cap use can be a problem as well, although cap shouldnt realy be a major issue when you can run everything for 2 mins (you shouldnt be running the webs for too long anyway - if you are then you suck at getting away from tackle)


    i dunno yet. HALP ME FHC UR MY ONRY HOPE.

    (i am gonna field test this over the next few days btw and see how it goes)


    to put some numbesr to it:


    425 shield cane w barrage at 30k: 240 dps
    720 cane with EMP (major damage advantage here) at 30k: 500 dps

    add in a bit of TD and lets see what happens

    425 cane w barrage at 30k: 130 dps (lol and it is hitting your best resists)
    720 cane w EMP at 30k: 270 dps



    what a major improvement?
    Last edited by Lex Fasces; October 26 2011 at 10:37:14 PM.

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    problem: other drakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsubutai View Post
    problem: other drakes
    true, you cant fight everything =p

    i reckon this setup could take most turret ships 1v1 though (bar shit with barrage L and possibly scorch L)

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    http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10573400 is pretty good i believe its brutis kahns fit not sure. due to my failskills u can get more out of it.

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