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    Wehrabo throws ragefit, case # 3987.2: Organizing a mass refund sparked by the latest patch where King Tigers armor values isn't as expected

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    btw, armor values on the King Tiger as it currently stands are 19. Max penetration of ANY allied gun is 17.
    max penetration? you mean penetration at max range surely.
    Yeah, penetration increases every 100m closer I think
    Surely you mean decreases?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
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    Wehrabo throws ragefit, case # 3987.2: Organizing a mass refund sparked by the latest patch where King Tigers armor values isn't as expected

    (link to archived site, since thread got deleted from Steam discussions)

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    btw, armor values on the King Tiger as it currently stands are 19. Max penetration of ANY allied gun is 17.
    max penetration? you mean penetration at max range surely.
    Yeah, penetration increases every 100m closer I think
    Surely you mean decreases?
    If a tank is firing at a target it gains 1AP* value per 100m* under max range,

    Idk what the actual value is but you get the idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
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    Wehrabo throws ragefit, case # 3987.2: Organizing a mass refund sparked by the latest patch where King Tigers armor values isn't as expected

    (link to archived site, since thread got deleted from Steam discussions)

    https://archive.is/ERJ6T



    btw, armor values on the King Tiger as it currently stands are 19. Max penetration of ANY allied gun is 17.
    max penetration? you mean penetration at max range surely.
    Yeah, penetration increases every 100m closer I think
    Surely you mean decreases?
    armor penetration (AP) increases by range reduction.

    I.e. that 17AP AT gun at 1200m is ~19 at 1000m and so on.

    so when u face high armor units, just lure them close and play the rng game.
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    Wehrabo throws ragefit, case # 3987.2: Organizing a mass refund sparked by the latest patch where King Tigers armor values isn't as expected

    (link to archived site, since thread got deleted from Steam discussions)

    https://archive.is/ERJ6T



    btw, armor values on the King Tiger as it currently stands are 19. Max penetration of ANY allied gun is 17.
    max penetration? you mean penetration at max range surely.
    Yeah, penetration increases every 100m closer I think
    Surely you mean decreases?
    armor penetration (AP) increases by range reduction.

    I.e. that 17AP AT gun at 1200m is ~19 at 1000m and so on.

    so when u face high armor units, just lure them close and play the rng game.
    or play the >no pen but crew bailed out game

    I don't understand why "bailed out" is a crit in this game when it's functionally identical to a dead tank

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotXenosis View Post
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    Wehrabo throws ragefit, case # 3987.2: Organizing a mass refund sparked by the latest patch where King Tigers armor values isn't as expected

    (link to archived site, since thread got deleted from Steam discussions)

    https://archive.is/ERJ6T



    btw, armor values on the King Tiger as it currently stands are 19. Max penetration of ANY allied gun is 17.
    max penetration? you mean penetration at max range surely.
    Yeah, penetration increases every 100m closer I think
    Surely you mean decreases?
    armor penetration (AP) increases by range reduction.

    I.e. that 17AP AT gun at 1200m is ~19 at 1000m and so on.

    so when u face high armor units, just lure them close and play the rng game.
    or play the >no pen but crew bailed out game

    I don't understand why "bailed out" is a crit in this game when it's functionally identical to a dead tank
    You should be able to recrew tanks with supply trucks tbh

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    It's basically just a repeat of Afghansky infinifucking superheavies because anything with an HE value can cause crits, except one of the crits blows up the tank entirely

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    Not sure what it is, but there's something that's a little 'off' with the game but I can't place my finger on it.

    Feels like panzergrenadiers are a little underwhelming / overcosted, and panzerpioneers seem to have no role.

    Also some of the decks and their unit selection dont really make sense. I'm assuming they added the 17.SS because of Band of Brothers / Battle of the Blood Gulch... so why can't the 17.SS have a card of 6.FJ that fought alongside?

    The anti-bazooka skirts of the Panzer IV H also have no effect what so ever against bazookas.

    On the allied side, why no SMG platoon for the 2.ID? :/
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    Because eugen still can't make infantry combat interesting

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    its not too shabby tbh. It's almost expected that a rts game doesnt have good balance in a beta stage where 2/3 of the playable units aren't released. Most RTS games take a few weeks or months to get decent balance.

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    I'll also say that the moral mechanic really works well, and allows tactical development of cutting units off and quickly dealing with them (ofc, your opponent is trying to do the same) which is a great mechanic. I find this is actually a lot more micro intensive than WG, even though it seems slower paced.
    meh

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    Wargame had boring infantry because 95% of them had the same template of rifle-law-lmg. Can't really say the same for this game. Leader squads are huge and some of them are pretty nasty. There's elite ranged squads, elite assault squads, and about 9 different flavors of generalist squads as well.

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    French units so stronk shooting at them makes you less accurate.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...7Jg/edit#gid=0

    Nice one eugen

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    French bias

    unironically for once

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    Steel Division forum, now with 100% more "Poland shouldn't have been flashing dat Danzig corridor about"

    https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...#post-22775469

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    Poland the dirty slut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Steel Division forum, now with 100% more "Poland shouldn't have been flashing dat Danzig corridor about"

    https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...#post-22775469
    I like how he slips a "political correctness is ruining golf" in there as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotXenosis View Post
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    Wehrabo throws ragefit, case # 3987.2: Organizing a mass refund sparked by the latest patch where King Tigers armor values isn't as expected

    (link to archived site, since thread got deleted from Steam discussions)

    https://archive.is/ERJ6T



    btw, armor values on the King Tiger as it currently stands are 19. Max penetration of ANY allied gun is 17.
    max penetration? you mean penetration at max range surely.
    Yeah, penetration increases every 100m closer I think
    Surely you mean decreases?
    armor penetration (AP) increases by range reduction.

    I.e. that 17AP AT gun at 1200m is ~19 at 1000m and so on.

    so when u face high armor units, just lure them close and play the rng game.
    or play the >no pen but crew bailed out game

    I don't understand why "bailed out" is a crit in this game when it's functionally identical to a dead tank
    campaign related properly, you get the tank back if you win the battle ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leon026 View Post
    Not sure what it is, but there's something that's a little 'off' with the game but I can't place my finger on it.

    Feels like panzergrenadiers are a little underwhelming / overcosted, and panzerpioneers seem to have no role.

    Also some of the decks and their unit selection dont really make sense. I'm assuming they added the 17.SS because of Band of Brothers / Battle of the Blood Gulch... so why can't the 17.SS have a card of 6.FJ that fought alongside?

    The anti-bazooka skirts of the Panzer IV H also have no effect what so ever against bazookas.

    On the allied side, why no SMG platoon for the 2.ID? :/
    neither the UK nor the US employed SMG's in that manner doctrinally, they where reserved for squad leaders and specialists. SMG squads (companies actually) is a soviet "invention" the germans copied.
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    i think the bailed out critical hit is a leftover from early game design where supply trucks could also repair tanks (they started with a HP system like in red dragon) and "recrew" a tank again. Many nerds want supply trucks to recrew that, but I'd rather just have it removed tbh.
    It's hilarious when a command tank bails out but still gives the command bonus tho.


    @Pionier: They're good for forest fighting. They generally come with more SMGs (at the cost of LMGs that are useless in cqc) and with stupendously deadly frag grenades at @100m. Flamers work in similar fashion, more specialized still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    neither the UK nor the US employed SMG's in that manner doctrinally, they where reserved for squad leaders and specialists. SMG squads (companies actually) is a soviet "invention" the germans copied.
    Considering how much Eugen loves their unicorn vehicles (Why are all all German Phase A vehicles captured tanks?), figured they would also add the unicorn of infantry from the 2ID Indianheads being equipped with a higher number of automatic weapons

    http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=331271




    The irony is that in one of the quotes, "Whenever an American fired his M1 rifle, German paratroopers replied with a withering barrage from automatic weapons. In open terrain US soldiers would have had a distinct advantage with their longer ranged rifles, but the hedgerows frequently permitted German paratroopers armed with short-range automatic weapons to approach within yards of an American position without being detected."

    ....is the total opposite of what happens in Steel Division.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarnca View Post
    What's up with all WW2 games coming back
    Possibly training nerds to take part in WW3 that is "just around the corner"... Thanks Trump/Putin/BestKorea/Brexit/Globalwarming/Feminism/Quackbot!

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