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Thread: [PVP] Imperial Navy Slicer

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    [PVP] Imperial Navy Slicer

    [Imperial Navy Slicer, just enough tracking to pwn]
    Internal Force Field Array I
    Heat Sink II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Overdrive Injector System II
    Overdrive Injector System II

    Gistii B-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive
    Faint Warp Disruptor I

    Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
    Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
    [empty high slot]

    Small Algid Energy Administrations Unit I
    Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
    Small Energy Metastasis Adjuster I

    my pvp course is on hold atm until after AT unless you make me an offer I cant resist. sorry

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    Pumped-up version of the dogfighting Crusader, gives up some sader speed for better range, similar deeps, similar tracking (accounting for a 22K optimal versus the sader's 14):

    [Imperial Navy Slicer, Scorch Slicer 147/24/4362/3K]
    Overdrive Injector System II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Heat Sink II

    Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
    Warp Disruptor II

    Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
    Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
    Salvager I /OFFLINE

    Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
    Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
    [empty rig slot]

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    Can't remember if this is someone else's fit or one I created/modified.

    160 DPS @ 19km but with 24km WD so less likely to lose point.
    3700m/s with an EFT align time of 3.9s.

    Compared to Podcats (both using Scorch) mine is better by about 10 DPS, 1s align time and the longer WD. Worse by 200m/s and 0.35 tracking. (HP same if use IFFA on both).

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    [Imperial Navy Slicer, Pulse]
    Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
    Overdrive Injector System II
    Co-Processor II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Heat Sink II
    
    Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
    Warp Disruptor II
    
    Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
    Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
    [empty high slot]
    
    Small Energy Burst Aerator I
    Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
    Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    Quote Originally Posted by Marn Prestoc
    Can't remember if this is someone else's fit or one I created/modified.

    160 DPS @ 19km but with 24km WD so less likely to lose point.
    3700m/s with an EFT align time of 3.9s.

    Compared to Podcats (both using Scorch) mine is better by about 10 DPS, 1s align time and the longer WD. Worse by 200m/s and 0.35 tracking. (HP same if use IFFA on both).

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    [Imperial Navy Slicer, Pulse]
    Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
    Overdrive Injector System II
    Co-Processor II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Heat Sink II
    
    Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
    Warp Disruptor II
    
    Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
    Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
    [empty high slot]
    
    Small Energy Burst Aerator I
    Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
    Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
    given the length of frigate fights I think you can afford the meta warp disruptor and just leave it overheated.
    when that factor is taken into consideration I don't think I'd want to give up that speed and tracking for only an extra 10 dps

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    This is my fit, 22+km 200dps with scorch overheated and implanted.

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    [Imperial Navy Slicer, Standard]
    Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
    Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
    Co-Processor II
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    
    Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
    Faint Warp Disruptor I
    
    Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
    Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
    [empty high slot]
    
    Small Algid Energy Administrations Unit II
    Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
    Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
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    Prom is right and you're dumb.

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    It's a great fit prom. If you don't feel like spending 22 mil on the T2 rig, you can switch a HS to a TE and mostly make up for it with burst rigs etc. Or you can also fit a 1% CPU implant, with max skills it fits with just a T1 Algid rig.

    Oh, also make sure you leave that empty high slot in between the two guns instead of off to the side, it improves overheating time by a good amount.

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Simmons
    Oh, also make sure you leave that empty high slot in between the two guns instead of off to the side, it improves overheating time by a good amount.


    Heat overlaps from one side to the other so the position of a single gap has no effect AFAIK.

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Simmons
    It's a great fit prom. If you don't feel like spending 22 mil on the T2 rig, you can switch a HS to a TE and mostly make up for it with burst rigs etc. Or you can also fit a 1% CPU implant, with max skills it fits with just a T1 Algid rig.
    Shop around, you can get those rigs for much, much cheaper than 5M (<3 in-corp T2 rig producer).

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    Prom's setup needs an IFFA I to fit fyi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgy Past View Post


    Heat overlaps from one side to the other so the position of a single gap has no effect AFAIK.

    Look at how much of a bad you are.




    Et voila, I have created 15 extra seconds of overheat:

    Last edited by Al Simmons; July 2 2011 at 08:59:34 AM.

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    [Imperial Navy Slicer, Brofit]
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Heat Sink II
    Fourier Transform I Tracking Program
    Overdrive Injector System II
    Pseudoelectron Containment Field I

    J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
    Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters

    Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
    Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
    Small Coaxial Regenerative Projector /OFFLINE

    Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
    Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
    Small Energy Metastasis Adjuster I

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Simmons
    Look at how much of a bad you are.
    EFT is not accurate with heat. If we have to believe EFT it's also better to use offline mod instead of open high (even though Dev comments confirmed that it has no effect).

    Speaking of :CCP: they also confirmed that the slots do indeed wrap around so position in this case is of no importance.

    Edit: Read this thread viewtopic.php?f=14&t=572&start=0


    Last edited by Pacefalm; April 9 2011 at 9:52 PM.

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Simmons
    Prom's setup needs an IFFA I to fit fyi.
    yep, my bad.
    was fiddling and forgot to revert back to the proper fit
    Quote Originally Posted by Frug View Post
    Prom is right and you're dumb.

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    Why would EFT not be accurate with that?

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Simmons
    Why would EFT not be accurate with that?
    Because it's a third-party app that performs calculations using equations that haven't been verified to be accurate by CCP?
    IIRC, a dev has explicitly stated that heat 'wraps around' and that there's no benefit to separating your guns in the way you did.
    Let's start a party of our own

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Simmons
    Why would EFT not be accurate with that?
    I was a bit confused about the heat mechanics until the good people of oldheap challenge schooled me.

    To be fair, the initial trinity implementation was a bit more complicated than the Overheating For Dummies we now have, and it doesn't help that EFT tells BLATANT LIES for no apparent reason.

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    I know heat is meant to wrap round, but I still leave that gap cos
    a) There's no reason not to.
    b) I appreciate the symmetry on the fitting screen.
    c) Dev confirmations aren't infallible, and testing to make sure its true would be effort.


    [Imperial Navy Slicer, sassy kiter]
    F85 Peripheral Damage System I
    Heat Sink II
    Adaptive Nano Plating II
    Small Armor Repairer II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Fleeting Warp Disruptor I
    Gistii B-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive

    Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
    [empty high slot] (offline core probe launcher)
    Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S

    Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
    Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
    Small Energy Collision Accelerator I


    Also: the two midslot retribution

    [Imperial Navy Slicer, sassy brawler]
    Small Armor Repairer II
    Heat Sink II
    Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
    Damage Control II
    200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
    1MN Afterburner II

    Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
    Small Nosferatu II
    Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S

    Small Energy Burst Aerator I
    Small Energy Metastasis Adjuster I
    Small Anti-Explosive Pump I

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    when people say 'wrap arounf' you mean heat from slot 1 affects slot 8? (or whatever your last highslot is)

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    Quote Originally Posted by Shiodome
    when people say 'wrap arounf' you mean heat from slot 1 affects slot 8? (or whatever your last highslot is)
    Yes. What else would they mean? It's not a sexual thing.
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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    Doesn't EFT increase time until heat death if you remove a lowslot item?

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    Re: Imperial Navy Slicer

    Quote Originally Posted by Raz
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiodome
    when people say 'wrap arounf' you mean heat from slot 1 affects slot 8? (or whatever your last highslot is)
    Yes. What else would they mean? It's not a sexual thing.
    You're thinking of a "reach-around". Common source of confusion.
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