Alliance Tournament XIV - Day 1

[Dirk Magnum]

Bluemelon in a State Issue Raven.

Also Eve-Bet is on fire in a dumpster.
edit: it's back up and didn't even eat my ISK that was mid-pull.

[Longdrinks]

im on team lords

[LordsServant]

[LordsServant]

You must spread some rep around

I did near the end, but they successfully shot the bait oracle most of the fight.

[W0lf Crendraven]

anyone know what happened with the tusker-rote match?

[Shiodome]

still delayed

[Mr Marram]

anyone know what happened with the tusker-rote match?

Server is tanking, latest news is that they are moving the last matches to the other system.

[Dirk Magnum]

404 Alliance Not Found just won hearts and minds with their match against Snuff.

[Shiodome]

CCP_Fozzie : Alright folks, unfortunately we're going to need to push the remaining matches to the start of the day tomorrow

lol :3

[Longdrinks]

my heart goes out to all the alarmclocking americans tomorrow

[CC]

What matches are worth watching (if they get put up on YouTube or something)? Either for good matches/piloting or cripple fights. Which match had the State Issue Raven?

[Dirk Magnum]

What matches are worth watching (if they get put up on YouTube or something)? Either for good matches/piloting or cripple fights. Which match had the State Issue Raven?

The 404 vs. Snuff match was okay. It had the Twitch crowd going toward the end, anyway. I only caught a couple matches today and they were pretty standard. No curbstomps or hilarious incompetence in them (MJD out of the arena, etc.) unfortunately.

State Raven was the PL vs. Iron Armada match.

[W0lf Crendraven]

Also, since its this time of year again.


FUCK AT SHIPS IN THE AT!!!! Its not as broken as it used to be, but its still quite the advantage, ban wise, performance wise, point wise. The fiend for example is a BS dps wise with cruiser tracking and its basicely unkillable. The etana still is a super logi and gets you around strategic logi bans (you can eliminate armor logis, but not shield, hence a scimi/basi ban being a waste vs the good teams) and so on. Its a huge wall for newer teams.

In simple terms, a fiend is twice as strong as a similar ship of its point cost, its 10% of a team - which performs as 20% (in reality its more because its a high impact ship), so one team has 110% vs the others 100%. Its stupid design.


The same is true for flagships, its interesting meta wise but price/impact wise it sort of is another AT ship, a full officer Barghest will do almost the same dps as 2 barghests (and will cost 100bill+, probably) (just an example, bhaal also performs way better with officer mods). If you cant afford that you are at a disadvantage again.


The enitre tournament should take place on a test server where everyone gets every ship/implants/ammo/mod etc and everyone has all V. Not on tq where half the matches are decided by isk (and sp but sp are isk).

[Eli Stan]

Holy fuck, that shit's chaotic the minutes after the bans go in.

[Dirk Magnum]

edit: my response to Wolf

I agree with some points in spirit but ere more toward the state of the AT as-is. If I were to add some feelings of my own I'd say:

1) combat must take place on the TQ server with ISK, ships, and modules acquired, built, and purchased therein (as it is now.)

2) flagship has no module restrictions

3) one AT ship per team per tournament (an Etana was lost today by PL, so PL can no longer field any AT ship this tournament, in my preferred rule-set)

4) The flagship and/or the AT ship of choice can only be deployed in one match, regardless of whether they survive or not

I like the restrictions on modules, implants, etc as they are, because we all know the AT doesn't mirror regular PvP anyway. It's supposed to be fun to watch, while also being generally fair to teams who want to try their luck against the "elite" entities. Any rule that contributes to the overall spectacle for Twitch viewers while also facilitating that lattermost point is a good one IMO.

[Tafkat]

What matches are worth watching (if they get put up on YouTube or something)? Either for good matches/piloting or cripple fights. Which match had the State Issue Raven?

The State Raven was fielded by PL in their match against Iron Armada, which you can watch here (skip to 12 minutes or so, unfortunately, there's no commentary): https://www.twitch.tv/isdstar/v/92381682
If you like seeing expensive things explode, you could also watch PL's second match, against the undermanned highsec mercenary alliance Complaints Department, in which PL fielded and lost an Etana (skip to around 6:31:00): https://www.twitch.tv/eve_nt_tv/v/92379469
You could also take a look at Vydra Relolded against Exodus, which was interesting because both teams are expected to be strong contenders for the final weekend, although the match proved to be rather one-sided in Exodus' favour (skip to around 5:50:00): https://www.twitch.tv/isdstar/v/92381682
Then there's Snuff getting picked apart by 404 Alliance Not Found (skip to around 8:28:40): https://www.twitch.tv/eve_nt_tv/v/92379469

[roigon]

edit: my response to Wolf

I agree with some points in spirit but ere more toward the state of the AT as-is. If I were to add some feelings of my own I'd say:

1) combat must take place on the TQ server with ISK, ships, and modules acquired, built, and purchased therein (as it is now.)

2) flagship has no module restrictions

3) one AT ship per team per tournament (an Etana was lost today by PL, so PL can no longer field any AT ship this tournament, in my preferred rule-set)

4) The flagship and/or the AT ship of choice can only be deployed in one match, regardless of whether they survive or not

I like the restrictions on modules, implants, etc as they are, because we all know the AT doesn't mirror regular PvP anyway. It's supposed to be fun to watch, while also being generally fair to teams who want to try their luck against the "elite" entities. Any rule that contributes to the overall spectacle for Twitch viewers while also facilitating that lattermost point is a good one IMO.

Your one ship rules and lowering the restrictions on the flagships essentially just increase the RNG. If you lose your AT or flagship you essentially will have a harder matchup throughout the rest of the AT.

I for one do not mind that holding the last ship to loot drones from the field is no longer a thing. A more even matched AT via rules gives better matches, just throwing spectacle isk losses into it is imho just silly, I won't deny it won't boost viewership but that will be short lived, because really, the explosion you see isn't any bigger because the ship is worth 100B.

[W0lf Crendraven]

i saw ry ry today in the AT stream

[Verite Rendition]

The Explicit Alliance vs. Spectre Fleet Alliance was surprisingly good. You don't see a BS-heavy comp work too often like that.

(Of course the prize for the poor sod winning that fight is to to go up again PL...)

[Verite Rendition]

What's with all of these undermanned teams today?