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    Quote Originally Posted by Tafkat View Post
    The eurozone countries could knock a non-EU London off its perch as a financial centre with a quickness if they so desired simply by implementing protectionist measures. They've already tried once and were only stopped because the UK was able to bring a case against them in the EU courts; if we'd been outside the EU, that legal challenge wouldn't have been open to us.
    This makes no sense, almost all financial practice in London of consequence has an international element to it; 'protectionist measures' would not impact on the money flowing in/out of the city.

    It might work if the entire EU harmonised all of its finance practice/law in one big go (and amalgamated itself into a homogenised sovereign state), but that will not happen - it's a fantastical prospect.

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    Boris decides he'd like to be PM of a free Britain & has comes out against staying. Out camp looks like it's getting enough high profile Conservatives to its side that they won't spend most of the campaign fighting over which irrelevant UKIP figure gets to be in charge, assuming they don't start fighting each other as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    London doesn't need EU membership to remain a world financial centre.
    It'll certainly struggle when the hundreds of thousands of euros that work there suddenly find their pensions/benefits/assets aren't transferrable.

    There is a reason the big financial houses are showering the Remain campaign with cash. It isn't because they loathe Nigel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancehot View Post
    Boris decides he'd like to be PM of a free Britain & has comes out against staying. Out camp looks like it's getting enough high profile Conservatives to its side that they won't spend most of the campaign fighting over which irrelevant UKIP figure gets to be in charge, assuming they don't start fighting each other as well.
    Meh, the 'out' camp is hardly the 'A-Team', or maybe that's what they're aiming at. Still waiting to see what Labour does. Hasn't Corbyn always been pretty 'anti-EU'? The porridge wogs are going to be eternally butthurt that the referendum has been called 6 weeks after their elections. Between this and the US Presidential race this is shaping up to be a most entertaining year in politics.


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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    London doesn't need EU membership to remain a world financial centre.
    It'll certainly struggle when the hundreds of thousands of euros that work there suddenly find their pensions/benefits/assets aren't transferrable.

    There is a reason the big financial houses are showering the Remain campaign with cash. It isn't because they loathe Nigel.
    Who says those pensions/benefits/assets won't be transferable if we get out?


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    I see a lot of assumptions that a British exit will lead to the complete alienation of UK from every EU nation.

    The biggest worry about voting to leave is we'll have pillocks like Cameron negotiating the fallout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
    Who says those pensions/benefits/assets won't be transferable if we get out?
    Who says they will? If we vote no we're staring down the barrel of two years of us negotiating with europe, with no guarantee that we'd get anything from anyone and a high probability we'd lose out on the far side. That's going to completely fuck anyone that does any kind of business in/with europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david32 View Post
    TMA speaking German, ima come live with you Stoffellekin
    Are you potty trained?

    Most important thing about speaking viennese, be a grumpy two faced cunt. Lots of meaningless niceties covering a core of dark dry sarcasm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoffl View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by david32 View Post
    TMA speaking German, ima come live with you Stoffellekin
    Are you potty trained?

    Most important thing about speaking viennese, be a grumpy two faced cunt. Lots of meaningless niceties covering a correlation of dark dry sarcasm.
    so be british then?
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    Similar, but less obvious and more malicious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stoffl View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by david32 View Post
    TMA speaking German, ima come live with you Stoffellekin
    Are you potty trained?

    Most important thing about speaking viennese, be a grumpy two faced cunt. Lots of meaningless niceties covering a correlation of dark dry sarcasm.
    so be british then?
    Comes with being an old imperial nation i guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lancehot View Post
    Boris decides he'd like to be PM of a free Britain & has comes out against staying. Out camp looks like it's getting enough high profile Conservatives to its side that they won't spend most of the campaign fighting over which irrelevant UKIP figure gets to be in charge, assuming they don't start fighting each other as well.
    Meh, the 'out' camp is hardly the 'A-Team', or maybe that's what they're aiming at. Still waiting to see what Labour does. Hasn't Corbyn always been pretty 'anti-EU'? The porridge wogs are going to be eternally butthurt that the referendum has been called 6 weeks after their elections. Between this and the US Presidential race this is shaping up to be a most entertaining year in politics.
    Not A-Team level. But enough people know IDS, Boris & Gove that, assuming they don't turn it into a fight for the party leadership, they will suffice. Goldsmith also being Out will give the London mayor election an in-out element to it as well. As for Corbyn, I don't think he's so much of a Foot wannabe that he'll effectively cause the end of the PLP for the sake of his "principles," which will in themselves will probably make him think twice about sharing a stage with the people who are going to be leading the Out campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tafkat View Post
    The eurozone countries could knock a non-EU London off its perch as a financial centre with a quickness if they so desired simply by implementing protectionist measures. They've already tried once and were only stopped because the UK was able to bring a case against them in the EU courts; if we'd been outside the EU, that legal challenge wouldn't have been open to us.
    This makes no sense, almost all financial practice in London of consequence has an international element to it; 'protectionist measures' would not impact on the money flowing in/out of the city.

    It might work if the entire EU harmonised all of its finance practice/law in one big go (and amalgamated itself into a homogenised sovereign state), but that will not happen - it's a fantastical prospect.
    Did you bother to read the FT article? They already tried to pass a law requiring clearing houses handling euro-denominated transactions to be based in the eurozone and were only stopped because we were able to make a legal challenge within the EU. It's not a "fantastical proposal", it's something that has actually happened.

    Also, re: Corbyn, he came out strongly in favour of Remain in the Guardian today and there are no major Labour figures supporting Leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lancehot View Post
    Boris decides he'd like to be PM of a free Britain & has comes out against staying. Out camp looks like it's getting enough high profile Conservatives to its side that they won't spend most of the campaign fighting over which irrelevant UKIP figure gets to be in charge, assuming they don't start fighting each other as well.
    Meh, the 'out' camp is hardly the 'A-Team', or maybe that's what they're aiming at. Still waiting to see what Labour does. Hasn't Corbyn always been pretty 'anti-EU'? The porridge wogs are going to be eternally butthurt that the referendum has been called 6 weeks after their elections. Between this and the US Presidential race this is shaping up to be a most entertaining year in politics.
    Corbyn has traditionally voted against the EU, Wee Jimmy stated this morning that if we vote to leave she will call another referendum (As good a reason to leave as any...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
    Who says those pensions/benefits/assets won't be transferable if we get out?
    Who says they will? If we vote no we're staring down the barrel of two years of us negotiating with europe, with no guarantee that we'd get anything from anyone and a high probability we'd lose out on the far side. That's going to completely fuck anyone that does any kind of business in/with europe.
    Keep holding onto that security blanket that Brussels provides. The dream of a 'Federal' Europe ended when countries who weren't ready were added to the experiment (i.e. everyone outside of the old colonial grown ups, Benelux and Scandinavia [those willing to jump in]) without due process and scrutiny.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Warpath View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lancehot View Post
    Boris decides he'd like to be PM of a free Britain & has comes out against staying. Out camp looks like it's getting enough high profile Conservatives to its side that they won't spend most of the campaign fighting over which irrelevant UKIP figure gets to be in charge, assuming they don't start fighting each other as well.
    Meh, the 'out' camp is hardly the 'A-Team', or maybe that's what they're aiming at. Still waiting to see what Labour does. Hasn't Corbyn always been pretty 'anti-EU'? The porridge wogs are going to be eternally butthurt that the referendum has been called 6 weeks after their elections. Between this and the US Presidential race this is shaping up to be a most entertaining year in politics.
    Corbyn has traditionally voted against the EU, Wee Jimmy stated this morning that if we vote to leave she will call another referendum (As good a reason to lave as any...)
    End game I'd like to see the UK vote to leave the EU, Scotland vote to leave the UK and then get denied entry to the EU.

    Apex hilarity would ensue as God Emperor Farage builds a wall stretching from Newcastle to Carlisle and the newly formed Celtic nation descends into anarchy.


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    As elmicker and Tafkat said EU has already tried to shaft over London and was only stopped because UK had a say in it. I'm sure if you lot leave more will be done just out of spite and to show the other EU nations its not the best idea to leave.


    

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeekar View Post
    As elmicker and Tafkat said EU has already tried to shaft over London and was only stopped because UK had a say in it. I'm sure if you lot leave more will be done just out of spite and to show the other EU nations its not the best idea to leave.
    If the UK leaves the EU the populaces of the other 'well off' (and even not so well off) nations will become more disenfranchised and call for their own referendums.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tafkat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tafkat View Post
    The eurozone countries could knock a non-EU London off its perch as a financial centre with a quickness if they so desired simply by implementing protectionist measures. They've already tried once and were only stopped because the UK was able to bring a case against them in the EU courts; if we'd been outside the EU, that legal challenge wouldn't have been open to us.
    This makes no sense, almost all financial practice in London of consequence has an international element to it; 'protectionist measures' would not impact on the money flowing in/out of the city.

    It might work if the entire EU harmonised all of its finance practice/law in one big go (and amalgamated itself into a homogenised sovereign state), but that will not happen - it's a fantastical prospect.
    Did you bother to read the FT article? They already tried to pass a law requiring clearing houses handling euro-denominated transactions to be based in the eurozone and were only stopped because we were able to make a legal challenge within the EU. It's not a "fantastical proposal", it's something that has actually happened.

    Also, re: Corbyn, he came out strongly in favour of Remain in the Guardian today and there are no major Labour figures supporting Leave.

    Yeh, attempted whilst we were/are in the EU. Do you have any idea what bargaining power London would give the UK as the world's financial centre, were we to leave? I don't want to leave (i'm voting in), but were negotiations to take place, London's status would heavily influence things. Financial services in London benefit from being in the EU, sure, but they also benefit from London being the leading centre (in international terms, outside of the EU) for those areas i have referenced in the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeekar View Post
    As elmicker and Tafkat said EU has already tried to shaft over London and was only stopped because UK had a say in it. I'm sure if you lot leave more will be done just out of spite and to show the other EU nations its not the best idea to leave.
    If the UK leaves the EU the populaces of the other 'well off' (and even not so well off) nations will become more disenfranchised and call for their own referendums.
    Maybe. Doubt it tho especially of the euro nations.


    

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