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    Quote Originally Posted by Crystalline Entity View Post
    £32.50 a form....
    Have you ever seen how much a SAP license costs m8

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Crystalline Entity View Post
    £32.50 a form....
    Have you ever seen how much a SAP license costs m8
    He hasn't seen much of anything outside of trap porn and blogs on conservative home.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Crystalline Entity View Post
    £32.50 a form....
    Have you ever seen how much a SAP license costs m8
    He hasn't seen much of anything outside of trap porn and blogs on conservative home.
    hahahaha.

    also I think diageo know how much a SAP license costs, or at least they do now xD

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    Tax rises needed 'to prevent NHS misery'

    Funny how it's always a tax on households that gets suggested...
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Tax rises needed 'to prevent NHS misery'

    Funny how it's always a tax on households that gets suggested...
    Just to clarify, that's £2000 average. Higher rate taxpayers will pick up more of the tab

    I've run the numbers to make it more realistic based on percentile data

    Those earning £11k would pay an extra £100 per year

    £15k is £500

    £20k is £1k

    £30k is £2k

    and it goes up from there

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    Not sure I want to further fund people who smoke and drink too much, eat shit, and dont exercise at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandzibar View Post
    Not sure I want to further fund people who smoke and drink too much, and dont exercise at all.
    Move to america then.

    You don't want to pay for the education of their children either, I suppose?

    Not happy to benefit from the system and not happy to try and help people out of poverty cycles,

    better of in the states mate. Off with your bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandzibar View Post
    Not sure I want to further fund people who smoke and drink too much, and dont exercise at all.
    Don't worry: once you go down that road, I'm sure the society will find a reason to exclude you from getting the treatment you need as well.

    Raising taxes on unhealthy products is a much better approach, tbh.

    Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. - Blaise Pascal, Pensées, 277

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    How about taxing the corporations raking in enormous global profits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandzibar View Post
    Not sure I want to further fund people who smoke and drink too much, eat shit, and dont exercise at all.
    I'm fairly sure the duties on tobacco and alcohol cover their direct healthcare costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    How about taxing the corporations raking in enormous global profits?
    We should totally fix the tax loopholes - however doubtful any changes like that would come from the current government without screwing over their golf buddies.

    Lets keep the NHS afloat before it sinks and then make better foundations when we have a party in place that isn't trying to kill off the disabled and poor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4m View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandzibar View Post
    Not sure I want to further fund people who smoke and drink too much, and dont exercise at all.
    Move to america then.

    You don't want to pay for the education of their children either, I suppose?

    Not happy to benefit from the system and not happy to try and help people out of poverty cycles,

    better of in the states mate. Off with your bed.
    LOL yes complaining about people making widely documented bad health related lifestyle choices is exactly the same as denying their children an education.

    You fucking retard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timaios View Post

    Raising taxes on unhealthy products is a much better approach, tbh.
    Reducing access to unhealthy foods would have a better impact than just increasing the prices.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandzibar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4m View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandzibar View Post
    Not sure I want to further fund people who smoke and drink too much, and dont exercise at all.
    Move to america then.

    You don't want to pay for the education of their children either, I suppose?

    Not happy to benefit from the system and not happy to try and help people out of poverty cycles,

    better of in the states mate. Off with your bed.
    LOL yes complaining about people making widely documented bad health related lifestyle choices is exactly the same as denying their children an education.

    You fucking retard.
    Fuck off to America you fucking fascist.

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    >people making widely documented bad health related lifestyle choices

    I wonder whats worse, junk food or no food

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Reducing access to unhealthy foods would have a better impact than just increasing the prices.
    "not an authoritarian"

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    >people making widely documented bad health related lifestyle choices

    I wonder whats worse, junk food or no food
    False choice. Even junk food doesn't have to be junk food as much. Most of the fast food places in the US are changing their menus since calorie labeling regulation came in. The 2000 calorie sandwiches just aren't really selling as much as they used to and consumer demand for healthier options due to creating caloric visibility is working, it seems, anecdotally.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    >people making widely documented bad health related lifestyle choices

    I wonder whats worse, junk food or no food
    I wonder if alcohol and cigarettes are necessary for human survival.

    I wonder how much exercise costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Reducing access to unhealthy foods would have a better impact than just increasing the prices.
    "not an authoritarian"
    In this case I'm a pragmatist. The current system makes mass produced, heavily processed food with reduced nutritional value easy to advertise and sell. Cheap calories are highly accessible, good nutrition isn't.

    Promote nutrition and punish cheap calories on the supply side, there isn't an unalienable right to being allowed to sell crap food to the underprivileged who can't afford better or have been failed by the education system into not knowing better.

    I don't think it is particularly contentious to argue this is a class issue when you see the demographic splits for those with unhealthy lifestyles.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    It's not contentious at all, it is a class issue. However the most effective route we've got to influence consumer decisions is to tax the shit out of salt and sugar in processed goods, rather than trying to regulate how people live. Unlike smoking, where we could pretty readily ban smoking in public, we're not exactly going to be able to ban chicken shops overnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    It's not contentious at all, it is a class issue. However the most effective route we've got to influence consumer decisions is to tax the shit out of salt and sugar in processed goods, rather than trying to regulate how people live. Unlike smoking, where we could pretty readily ban smoking in public, we're not exactly going to be able to ban chicken shops overnight.
    Regulating the products that are sold by private companies isn't regulating how people live.

    I don't think this is a demand sided problem. Look at the advertising money that goes into selling processed food with poor nutritional qualities. Hit the supply side, they're the ones where the balance of power lies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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