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    >smuggo thinks the established British bourgeois democracy is a positive thing that should be embraced and conserved.

    Weird timeline this.
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    The oldest and finest British cultural tradition is its constant change, its merging and refining as it mixes with others.

    The willingness to embrace change is what pushed us to our highest heights as a nation. It's no coincidence that our downfall coincided with the rise of the cultural hubris that sits at the heart of conservatism and states "This is it. This is how British culture is and should forever remain".

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    Yeh, I don't know why we should stop now, our culture is literally taking other people's cultures and incorporating them into our own. Unless you think we've peaked and we should make no further progress?

    E: oh, and imperialism. Can't forget about the imperialism. And yeah I'm happy that's fucking dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    >smuggo thinks the established British bourgeois democracy is a positive thing that should be embraced and conserved.

    Weird timeline this.
    He's acting like he's 12. I did literally same thing depending on what I read last week. From Adam Smith to Karl Marx then some Heidegger and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
    The oldest and finest British cultural tradition is its constant change, its merging and refining as it mixes with others.

    The willingness to embrace change is what pushed us to our highest heights as a nation. It's no coincidence that our downfall coincided with the rise of the cultural hubris that sits at the heart of conservatism and states "This is it. This is how British culture is and should forever remain".
    Except Conservative forces have had little influence since 1945 so your assertion this is conservatism is false. Yes we changed but the core values of liberty and freedom have remained constant for a long time and date back over a thousand years. Changing us from a liberal democracy into the EU model does not seem the best form of change to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Contemporary Poster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
    The oldest and finest British cultural tradition is its constant change, its merging and refining as it mixes with others.

    The willingness to embrace change is what pushed us to our highest heights as a nation. It's no coincidence that our downfall coincided with the rise of the cultural hubris that sits at the heart of conservatism and states "This is it. This is how British culture is and should forever remain".
    Except Conservative forces have had little influence since 1945 so your assertion this is conservatism is false. Yes we changed but the core values of liberty and freedom have remained constant for a long time and date back over a thousand years. Changing us from a liberal democracy into the EU model does not seem the best form of change to me.
    > Over 1000 years
    > England is less that 1000 years old

    ok m8

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoirAvlaa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Contemporary Poster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
    The oldest and finest British cultural tradition is its constant change, its merging and refining as it mixes with others.

    The willingness to embrace change is what pushed us to our highest heights as a nation. It's no coincidence that our downfall coincided with the rise of the cultural hubris that sits at the heart of conservatism and states "This is it. This is how British culture is and should forever remain".
    Except Conservative forces have had little influence since 1945 so your assertion this is conservatism is false. Yes we changed but the core values of liberty and freedom have remained constant for a long time and date back over a thousand years. Changing us from a liberal democracy into the EU model does not seem the best form of change to me.
    > Over 1000 years
    > England is less that 1000 years old

    ok m8
    Yes but the early anglo Saxon settlers selected their own leaders and early form of democracy and King Alfred became the first king of England because he promised to drive out the Vikings and claim the land not for himself but all the English. That was the acorn from which our nation state grew and has been with us to varying degrees ever since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
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    You're forgetting that our glorious British farmers will no longer have to adhere to all that unwarranted and stifling Brussels red tape (like for animal welfare) that pushes up costs!
    No but they will have to adhere to WTO trading rules if they want to trade under WTO trading rules.
    Next up: WEXIT! FUck the world we are getting off to trade with OURSELVES. hah.
    Please don't teach me what to do with my pc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Contemporary Poster View Post
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    The oldest and finest British cultural tradition is its constant change, its merging and refining as it mixes with others.

    The willingness to embrace change is what pushed us to our highest heights as a nation. It's no coincidence that our downfall coincided with the rise of the cultural hubris that sits at the heart of conservatism and states "This is it. This is how British culture is and should forever remain".
    Except Conservative forces have had little influence since 1945 so your assertion this is conservatism is false. Yes we changed but the core values of liberty and freedom have remained constant for a long time and date back over a thousand years. Changing us from a liberal democracy into the EU model does not seem the best form of change to me.
    > Over 1000 years
    > England is less that 1000 years old

    ok m8
    Yes but the early anglo Saxon settlers selected their own leaders and early form of democracy and King Alfred became the first king of England because he promised to drive out the Vikings and claim the land not for himself but all the English. That was the acorn from which our nation state grew and has been with us to varying degrees ever since.
    >core values of liberty

    You realize a lot of people were basically slaves during the victorian era/earlier, right?

    People don't shove kids up fucking chimneys for liberty, you know?

    Just fuck off already

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
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    The oldest and finest British cultural tradition is its constant change, its merging and refining as it mixes with others.

    The willingness to embrace change is what pushed us to our highest heights as a nation. It's no coincidence that our downfall coincided with the rise of the cultural hubris that sits at the heart of conservatism and states "This is it. This is how British culture is and should forever remain".
    Except Conservative forces have had little influence since 1945 so your assertion this is conservatism is false. Yes we changed but the core values of liberty and freedom have remained constant for a long time and date back over a thousand years. Changing us from a liberal democracy into the EU model does not seem the best form of change to me.
    > Over 1000 years
    > England is less that 1000 years old

    ok m8
    Yes but the early anglo Saxon settlers selected their own leaders and early form of democracy and King Alfred became the first king of England because he promised to drive out the Vikings and claim the land not for himself but all the English. That was the acorn from which our nation state grew and has been with us to varying degrees ever since.
    >core values of liberty

    You realize a lot of people were basically slaves during the victorian era/earlier, right?

    People don't shove kids up fucking chimneys for liberty, you know?

    Just fuck off already
    No they weren't slaves at all and you know they weren't.

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    The oldest and finest British cultural tradition is its constant change, its merging and refining as it mixes with others.

    The willingness to embrace change is what pushed us to our highest heights as a nation. It's no coincidence that our downfall coincided with the rise of the cultural hubris that sits at the heart of conservatism and states "This is it. This is how British culture is and should forever remain".
    Except Conservative forces have had little influence since 1945 so your assertion this is conservatism is false. Yes we changed but the core values of liberty and freedom have remained constant for a long time and date back over a thousand years. Changing us from a liberal democracy into the EU model does not seem the best form of change to me.
    > Over 1000 years
    > England is less that 1000 years old

    ok m8
    Yes but the early anglo Saxon settlers selected their own leaders and early form of democracy and King Alfred became the first king of England because he promised to drive out the Vikings and claim the land not for himself but all the English. That was the acorn from which our nation state grew and has been with us to varying degrees ever since.
    >core values of liberty

    You realize a lot of people were basically slaves during the victorian era/earlier, right?

    People don't shove kids up fucking chimneys for liberty, you know?

    Just fuck off already
    No they weren't slaves at all and you know they weren't.
    FUCK OFF

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    they were serfs paid just enough to not quite die, except when they did. It's not the same! They had freedom and liberty! Unless they were getting murdered by lords for fun.

    I don't know what kind of romantic vision you have of England/Wessex back then, but it wasn't for liberty, it was "I want all this land, so I'm going to murder my way to it and collect all the taxes"

    e: he just wasn't as much of a cunt as the other people who were also trying to do the same thing. And then the middle ages weren't exactly a bastion of liberties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoirAvlaa View Post
    they were serfs paid just enough to not quite die, except when they did. It's not the same! They had freedom and liberty! Unless they were getting murdered by lords for fun.

    I don't know what kind of romantic vision you have of England/Wessex back then, but it wasn't for liberty, it was "I want all this land, so I'm going to murder my way to it and collect all the taxes"

    e: he just wasn't as much of a cunt as the other people who were also trying to do the same thing. And then the middle ages weren't exactly a bastion of liberties.
    Not saying it was perfect but it wasn't quite so horrible as you make out. And the same basic principles of liberty and democracy existed which allowed us to develop the advanced civilisation we have today. The principles of it are still good and worth preserving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Contemporary Poster View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
    The oldest and finest British cultural tradition is its constant change, its merging and refining as it mixes with others.

    The willingness to embrace change is what pushed us to our highest heights as a nation. It's no coincidence that our downfall coincided with the rise of the cultural hubris that sits at the heart of conservatism and states "This is it. This is how British culture is and should forever remain".
    Except Conservative forces have had little influence since 1945 so your assertion this is conservatism is false. Yes we changed but the core values of liberty and freedom have remained constant for a long time and date back over a thousand years. Changing us from a liberal democracy into the EU model does not seem the best form of change to me.
    > Over 1000 years
    > England is less that 1000 years old

    ok m8
    Yes but the early anglo Saxon settlers selected their own leaders and early form of democracy and King Alfred became the first king of England because he promised to drive out the Vikings and claim the land not for himself but all the English. That was the acorn from which our nation state grew and has been with us to varying degrees ever since.
    What the fuck are you even on about, is this what they teach in English primary school about your own history? Alfred the Great wasn't the first king of England, he didn't even finish driving the Danes out altogether. He was perhaps considered one of the better monarchs in terms of bringing prosperity. He didn't get to become king because he promised jack shit, his elder brother died and he *had* to be king.

    Slavery was common in those days among the vikings and the anglo-saxon alike. Good old Afred even brought in holidays for all normal men, but obviously not for slaves since they had no worth.

    There were no elections, it was a hereditary monarchy and you owed fealty to the king. You got captured in combat? Welcome to slave life. Piss on your liberty and freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rami View Post
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    The oldest and finest British cultural tradition is its constant change, its merging and refining as it mixes with others.

    The willingness to embrace change is what pushed us to our highest heights as a nation. It's no coincidence that our downfall coincided with the rise of the cultural hubris that sits at the heart of conservatism and states "This is it. This is how British culture is and should forever remain".
    Except Conservative forces have had little influence since 1945 so your assertion this is conservatism is false. Yes we changed but the core values of liberty and freedom have remained constant for a long time and date back over a thousand years. Changing us from a liberal democracy into the EU model does not seem the best form of change to me.
    > Over 1000 years
    > England is less that 1000 years old

    ok m8
    Yes but the early anglo Saxon settlers selected their own leaders and early form of democracy and King Alfred became the first king of England because he promised to drive out the Vikings and claim the land not for himself but all the English. That was the acorn from which our nation state grew and has been with us to varying degrees ever since.
    What the fuck are you even on about, is this what they teach in English primary school about your own history? Alfred the Great wasn't the first king of England, he didn't even finish driving the Danes out altogether. He was perhaps considered one of the better monarchs in terms of bringing prosperity. He didn't get to become king because he promised jack shit, his elder brother died and he *had* to be king.

    Slavery was common in those days among the vikings and the anglo-saxon alike. Good old Afred even brought in holidays for all normal men, but obviously not for slaves since they had no worth.

    There were no elections, it was a hereditary monarchy and you owed fealty to the king. You got captured in combat? Welcome to slave life. Piss on your liberty and freedom.
    He is considered the first king of England. He didn't control it all but he did turn the tide against the vikings and did it on the basis of popular support for his rule.

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    This is terrible trolling now.

    Unless you've recently had a stroke and dropped 40 IQ points.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    No he really didn't, Wessex is in the south and the only reason fucking Alfred became close to being king of "all of" England is because the Danes successfully wrecked through Northumbria, East Anglia and Mercia. You also missed about 30 other points in that post but I guess cherry picking is a hobby of yours.

    Your core point that liberty and freedom are a core tennet of anglo-saxon England heritage is bollocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    This is terrible trolling now.

    Unless you've recently had a stroke and dropped 40 IQ points.
    It's a side-effect of assured anonymity. It shows who you really are.

    If this could all be linked back to his real name again, it would stop quite quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoirAvlaa View Post
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    The oldest and finest British cultural tradition is its constant change, its merging and refining as it mixes with others.

    The willingness to embrace change is what pushed us to our highest heights as a nation. It's no coincidence that our downfall coincided with the rise of the cultural hubris that sits at the heart of conservatism and states "This is it. This is how British culture is and should forever remain".
    Except Conservative forces have had little influence since 1945 so your assertion this is conservatism is false. Yes we changed but the core values of liberty and freedom have remained constant for a long time and date back over a thousand years. Changing us from a liberal democracy into the EU model does not seem the best form of change to me.
    > Over 1000 years
    > England is less that 1000 years old

    ok m8
    The Venerable Bede would like a word with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rami View Post
    No he really didn't, Wessex is in the south and the only reason fucking Alfred became close to being king of "all of" England is because the Danes successfully wrecked through Northumbria, East Anglia and Mercia. You also missed about 30 other points in that post but I guess cherry picking is a hobby of yours.

    Your core point that liberty and freedom are a core tennet of anglo-saxon England heritage is bollocks.
    I'm saying they originate in ideas from that time. Obviously it has developed since then and I acknowledge protestantism was a more important influence, just saying that these concepts are an ancient part of our cultural identity that should not be wiped away by the EU.

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