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    Decent moving of goalposts there. From world of opportunity to not post apocalyptic.
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Decent moving of goalposts there. From world of opportunity to not post apocalyptic.
    You just have to be positive, some kind of life will still manage to survive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylia View Post
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    Decent moving of goalposts there. From world of opportunity to not post apocalyptic.
    You just have to be positive, some kind of life will still manage to survive
    Once we have taken back full control of our sovereignty, some record of life may be sufficiently protected for future archaeologists to discover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
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    Decent moving of goalposts there. From world of opportunity to not post apocalyptic.
    You just have to be positive, some kind of life will still manage to survive
    Once we have taken back full control of our sovereignty, some record of life may be sufficiently protected for future archaeologists to discover.
    Sounds exactly like what Boris Johnson promised us would happen prior to the referendum. Right guise? Right?
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    ...i have no idea whats realy going on...

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    Corbyo finally has some detail on his brexit position.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...it-says-corbyn

    Incidently, it's more specific than the PMs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timaios View Post
    The UK also stated last month that the UK will not be leaving Europe 'geographically', so it's not even a weird announcement given recent history.
    You need to realise there are people who will be genuinely disappointed by that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Decent moving of goalposts there. From world of opportunity to not post apocalyptic.
    To not that specific kind of post apocalyptic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancehot View Post
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    What's a good UK paper
    Private Eye

    It only comes out once in a fortnight though .
    But that paper is always in the dodgy part of the newspaper stands, near the smut
    Well the most recent one had Rees-Mogg sporting a saucy top hat & tails on the cover, so that sounds right.
    I'm contemplating giving up Private Eye, it's too depressing.


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    According to Guido:

    This was the response sent by the Stasi Records Agency (BStU) to Guido when he asked for Corbyn’s file way back in 2016. They cited sections 32 and 33 of the Stasi Records Act, which provide exemptions for:

    records containing personal data, records containing personal data regarding holders of political functions or a public office

    There is a way personal data about holders of political office can be released:

    if the persons concerned have given their written consent specifying the name of the applicant specifying the name of the applicant, the project and the persons who will carry it out

    Corbyn has the chance to clear his name if he tells the BStU he is happy for them to release his file. Otherwise it will remain secret until his death, at which point it can be released.
    Old Corbs could clear his name easy peasy...

    They aren't wrong about data protection law though.

    (yes I know, attack Paul S rather than face the fact that your messiah is actually possibly a very naughty boy)
    "I think we could all do with sitting back a bit and detaching ourselves from the situation to really think about how these issues reflect on our future and how we discuss them here and be a bit less aggressive or defensive because everyone has a complicated set of circumstances that has led the to place importance on particular issues and it doesn't meany any of them is less valid, we just need to look at the broader picture"

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    Why would the Stasi have had a file on him? What importance did he have 30 years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Why would the Stasi have had a file on him? What importance did he have 30 years ago?
    He was an up-and-coming politician in a Western country, eager to cooperate with his case officer. He was an "operational contact" in KGB terms.

    Of course Stasi would have an extensive file on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Why would the Stasi have had a file on him? What importance did he have 30 years ago?
    He was an up-and-coming politician in a Western country, eager to cooperate with his case officer. He was an "operational contact" in KGB terms.

    Of course Stasi would have an extensive file on him.
    The KGB did not share everything with the Stasi. So again, why would they have a file?

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    This is the equivalent of demanding Obamas birth certificate tbh.

    Also, fucking lol at "according to Guido" do you only read things shared on far right Facebook groups CE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
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    What's a good UK paper
    Private Eye

    It only comes out once in a fortnight though .
    But that paper is always in the dodgy part of the newspaper stands, near the smut
    Well the most recent one had Rees-Mogg sporting a saucy top hat & tails on the cover, so that sounds right.
    I'm contemplating giving up Private Eye, it's too depressing.
    It seems a bit unfair to call the Eye depressing when all they're doing is reporting very depressing facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    This is the equivalent of demanding Obamas birth certificate tbh.

    Also, fucking lol at "according to Guido" do you only read things shared on far right Facebook groups CE?
    Obviously yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
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    Why would the Stasi have had a file on him? What importance did he have 30 years ago?
    He was an up-and-coming politician in a Western country, eager to cooperate with his case officer. He was an "operational contact" in KGB terms.

    Of course Stasi would have an extensive file on him.
    The KGB did not share everything with the Stasi. So again, why would they have a file?

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    psst joe, he's busy trying to revive the cold war.

    it's fairly commonly understood that the European left wing parties had contact with assorted Warsaw pact intelligence services and said services had files on them throughout the entire cold war period, that does not mean said parties where outright puppets (though some where) nor that the politicians in question where somehow compromised by default.

    of course, what's actually happening in the UK right now is the fact that this happened is being used to somehow turn Corbyn into a traitor by the Murdoch press in a desperate attempt to make the tories appealing while they're busy both imploding under the colossal weight of failure they are and sinking the entire country.

    what actually happened, and what's confirmed by the archives, is that he met with a Czechoslovakian diplomat (later expelled from the UK for being a spy) and discussed ongoing political events readily available in the daily press cycle, he was marked as a "person of interest" and nothing more, something that should be entirely unsurprising given his political views and membership of Parliament.

    if this standard of evidence is enough to oust somebody as compromised, the entire conservative party would be unable to field a single MP due to the obvious collution and corruption that must be the result of their ties with various industries.
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    I suspect it's more to do with distracting from the fact that government policy is currently being dictated by a group of just 62 overwhelmingly old, white, far right wingnuts.

    If anything it's done him a favour, as he's got to spend the week slapping the far right press rather than further muddying the waters as to what he wants from a post-brexit relationship, and the 62 "Mogglodytes" (excellent term) may have just gone one step too far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
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    Why would the Stasi have had a file on him? What importance did he have 30 years ago?
    He was an up-and-coming politician in a Western country, eager to cooperate with his case officer. He was an "operational contact" in KGB terms.

    Of course Stasi would have an extensive file on him.
    The KGB did not share everything with the Stasi. So again, why would they have a file?

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    psst joe, he's busy trying to revive the cold war.

    it's fairly commonly understood that the European left wing parties had contact with assorted Warsaw pact intelligence services and said services had files on them throughout the entire cold war period, that does not mean said parties where outright puppets (though some where) nor that the politicians in question where somehow compromised by default.

    of course, what's actually happening in the UK right now is the fact that this happened is being used to somehow turn Corbyn into a traitor by the Murdoch press in a desperate attempt to make the tories appealing while they're busy both imploding under the colossal weight of failure they are and sinking the entire country.

    what actually happened, and what's confirmed by the archives, is that he met with a Czechoslovakian diplomat (later expelled from the UK for being a spy) and discussed ongoing political events readily available in the daily press cycle, he was marked as a "person of interest" and nothing more, something that should be entirely unsurprising given his political views and membership of Parliament.

    if this standard of evidence is enough to oust somebody as compromised, the entire conservative party would be unable to field a single MP due to the obvious collution and corruption that must be the result of their ties with various industries.
    Still doesn't explain why the Stasi should have a file on a British politician with no ties to East Germany afaik. The Stasi was obviously aimed at West Germany, not the UK. That was the KGB's strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Still doesn't explain why the Stasi should have a file on a British politician with no ties to East Germany afaik. The Stasi was obviously aimed at West Germany, not the UK. That was the KGB's strength.

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    The Stasi had a large and extremely successful foreign intelligence and espionage unit. The Stasi archive have said they have no such file. Neither do the Czech authorities.

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