Jon Ashworth I think? Unless he got the boot at some point.
Not sure why you'd expect people to know who he is though, you could pick a member of the public and they'd probably struggle to tell you Jeremy Hunt is health secretary. People are generally not very politically engaged.
Originally Posted by Paul Mason
Maybe that's because you can vote for the brand, but you cant vote for the specific managers.
So people have a hard time caring I guess. After all they are all essentially the same boring, out of touch, nepotistic(?), privileged, indecisive, whipped clones; merely just going though the motions until they can get that cushy job in the private sector.
Because
1) He, and every other Labour shadow, should be on every news show and website they can talking about nothing but the NHS. The NHS is in a state of unprecedented crisis and the opposition have been nowhere to be seen (until about 15 minutes ago when Jezza was doorstepped by Sky News)
and
2) The people in this thread are politically engaged.
Yeah I agree. I'm not entirely sure why there isn't more from them.
Unless they're willing to just watch the tories implode over it and then take advantage of the post mortem. I'm not a political strategist though.
Originally Posted by Paul Mason
Viking, n.:
1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.
Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.
it's just a shame to take those museum pieces out and possibly ruining them, why not use SpaceX's rockets and send Elon along on the first one ?
Viking, n.:
1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.
Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.
Arron Banks now also in favour of a second (really a third!) referendum...
If you guys decide to have another referendum on it, I would not be surprised if all negotiations are halted until it's over. I mean what's the use of conducting long and arduous negotiations when the result may be invalidated by a fickle electorate?
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I'd be shocked if there was another referendum. The first highlighted serious divisions in the conservative party, a second would stand to openly pit their rural core voters against the businesses that fund them.
Originally Posted by Paul Mason
What's the point of conducting negotiations when the result may be invalidated by a fickle, hung parliament or an overwhelmingly pro-european house of lords with nothing to lose from voting it down?
I'm pretty sure unless we rescind art 50 the negotiations won't stop.
Also, remember the leadership of the main opposition party are also rabidly anti-EU, so there's not a big probability of anything substantially changing.
Labour brexit is massively more interesting than tory brexit when you consider the rest of the platform they are opposing the conservative party with. It'll be interesting to see how their moderate reflationary policy is priced into the risk associated with a brexited UK.
Originally Posted by Paul Mason
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