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    Quote Originally Posted by Crystalline Entity View Post
    ...and we can fix it easily.
    Apart from the bit where Norway is in the single market, so customs processes exist only for a tiny number of categories of goods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crystalline Entity View Post
    How does the customs bit work? Because if it works fairly flawlessly then im going to call the Northern Ireland border problem a crock of shit and we can fix it easily.
    They are in the single market, aka are treated like an EU member with regards to trade. Comes with free movement of people as well. And a bill that per capita is higher than the British paid into the EU when you consider the British rebate.

    If you really want the Norway (or Swiss) option, you could have stayed in the EU and paid less and had a say in EU politics, which neither Norway or Switzerland have.
    nevar forget

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
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    How's the Northern Ireland border question doing?
    It's fucked. There's no politically acceptable solution (because "brexit means brexit", natch) and any resulting border would be amongst the most complex borders on the planet, in a place where there has functionally never been a border before, between two countries that have never had to have real borders.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
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    How's the Northern Ireland border question doing?
    It's fucked. There's no politically acceptable solution (because "brexit means brexit", natch) and any resulting border would be amongst the most complex borders on the planet, in a place where there has never been a functional border before, between two countries that have only ever had a real border when their was an armed insurrection going on.
    Happy now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Crystalline Entity View Post
    ...and we can fix it easily.
    Apart from the bit where Norway is in the single market, so customs processes exist only for a tiny number of categories of goods.
    This is news to me, i've yet to import something that hasn't gone through a customs process.

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    nobody would make shit up just to make the EU look good

    nooooobooodddyyyy

    lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4m View Post
    nobody would make shit up just to make the EU look good

    nooooobooodddyyyy

    lol.
    Make what up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4m View Post
    nobody would make shit up just to make the EU look good

    nooooobooodddyyyy

    lol.
    Make what up?
    Sorry to burst any bubbles, but even if we're in the single market we still need to go through a customs process for everything you import/export. (exception being a parcel with a total value of less than 150, books or legal tender currency iirc)
    If nothing else VAT has to be added (unless its offshore equipment going directly to an installation) and the goods checked to see if it is actually what you claim it is.
    It is a fucking ballache since a lot of EU companies doesn't have to deal with the paperwork associated with this, gets the papers wrong cause custom zealots to go into overdrive and cause delays.

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    Sure: the practical proposed solutions for the Irish / NI border is worse.

    The point wasn't 'is the border seemless' its 'its not the same as the Irish question'.

    Particularly when you consider that your system is an improvement over the years: whereas any Irish border will be introducing a barrier to trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoggbert View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4m View Post
    nobody would make shit up just to make the EU look good

    nooooobooodddyyyy

    lol.
    Make what up?
    Sorry to burst any bubbles, but even if we're in the single market we still need to go through a customs process for everything you import/export. (exception being a parcel with a total value of less than 150, books or legal tender currency iirc)
    If nothing else VAT has to be added (unless its offshore equipment going directly to an installation) and the goods checked to see if it is actually what you claim it is.
    It is a fucking ballache since a lot of EU companies doesn't have to deal with the paperwork associated with this, gets the papers wrong cause custom zealots to go into overdrive and cause delays.
    Thanks Hogg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4m View Post
    nobody would make shit up just to make the EU look good
    Nobody would make shit up to make the EU look bad.

    Not even vulture capitalists obsessed with exploiting turmoil to add to their already huge pile of wealth.

    lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4m View Post
    nobody would make shit up just to make the EU look good
    Nobody would make shit up to make the EU look bad.

    Not even vulture capitalists obsessed with exploiting turmoil to add to their already huge pile of wealth.

    lol.
    I'm not denying that. but you act all high and mighty and the truth is.... you aren't.

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    I think you're either massively misjudging the tone of some posts or you're completely missing the point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4m View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hoggbert View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4m View Post
    nobody would make shit up just to make the EU look good

    nooooobooodddyyyy

    lol.
    Make what up?
    Sorry to burst any bubbles, but even if we're in the single market we still need to go through a customs process for everything you import/export. (exception being a parcel with a total value of less than 150, books or legal tender currency iirc)
    If nothing else VAT has to be added (unless its offshore equipment going directly to an installation) and the goods checked to see if it is actually what you claim it is.
    It is a fucking ballache since a lot of EU companies doesn't have to deal with the paperwork associated with this, gets the papers wrong cause custom zealots to go into overdrive and cause delays.
    Thanks Hogg.
    Why are you thanking me? EU britain doesn't have to deal with this additional ballache for its commerce, post brexit britain will have a similar issue (or worse if you refuse the free movement of people).

    Being in the EU when you do import/export activity is a good thing.

    I was just responding to elmickers statement that theres only a small amount of goods that are subject to customs processes, when more or less everything is.
    Though most of it is due to adding norwegian VAT or other special norwegian taxation to goods so we don't get things unnaturally cheap from abroad, not the EU being assholes and adding special trade tariffs on norwegian gas/oil/fish.

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    Protip: everyone does VAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoggbert View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4m View Post
    nobody would make shit up just to make the EU look good

    nooooobooodddyyyy

    lol.
    Make what up?
    Sorry to burst any bubbles, but even if we're in the single market we still need to go through a customs process for everything you import/export. (exception being a parcel with a total value of less than 150, books or legal tender currency iirc)
    If nothing else VAT has to be added (unless its offshore equipment going directly to an installation) and the goods checked to see if it is actually what you claim it is.
    It is a fucking ballache since a lot of EU companies doesn't have to deal with the paperwork associated with this, gets the papers wrong cause custom zealots to go into overdrive and cause delays.
    Thanks Hogg.
    Why are you thanking me? EU britain doesn't have to deal with this additional ballache for its commerce, post brexit britain will have a similar issue (or worse if you refuse the free movement of people).

    Being in the EU when you do import/export activity is a good thing.

    I was just responding to elmickers statement that theres only a small amount of goods that are subject to customs processes, when more or less everything is.
    Though most of it is due to adding norwegian VAT or other special norwegian taxation to goods so we don't get things unnaturally cheap from abroad, not the EU being assholes and adding special trade tariffs on norwegian gas/oil/fish.
    So it's something Norway did to itself and not imposed by the EU on them (and to be fair it makes sense, if you could import everything cheap af then i suspect the effects would be massive, as fucking annoying as it must be), which is an entirely different issue yeah. Basically *sp4m*.

    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Protip: everyone does VAT.
    Not on things imported from abroad for personal use, it's an import tax usually? I guess in the end the effect is the same and just semantics.
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    Drug users in Scotland 'consume most cocaine' in one session
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-44048083

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeromeDoutrande View Post
    Drug users in Scotland 'consume most cocaine' in one session
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-44048083
    And are proud of it as well.

    What a small nation can be great at!
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    ...i have no idea whats realy going on...

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    The reason all imports to Norway from the EU have to go through customs checks is because EEA members aren't part of the EU VAT area. EC rules on harmonization of taxes are outside the scope of the EEA Agreement, hence the VAT Directive haven't been incorporated into it.
    Last edited by James Snowscoran; May 9 2018 at 10:50:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crystalline Entity View Post
    Somebody mentioned the Swedish Norwegian border somewhere recently.

    Having never looked at it (and I bet none of you have really) does anybody know how this single market/non single market land border works?
    Norway is in the eea, and so has mostly terrific free trade with the European. It is signed up to free movement too as part of this.
    The exception is agriculture and fishing, so all trucks into Norway must be checked to confirm at the least that they do not contain agricultural goods, or pay the tariff Norway has set.

    Exports from Norway must be Checked to ensure they comply with rules of origin. If Norway imports steel from China at a 10% tariff and exports steel to the European at a 5% tariff people could export to the European through Norway and avoid tax. This is obviously not allowed.


    This also applies to steel used in the manufacture of goods under complicated rules.
    And exports from Norway of things produced in Norway are subject to the tariffs on agricultural products as they are out of the scope of the eea.


    The northern Ireland border issue will not allow the UK to leave the eu on any practical sense without disintegrating.
    But this should be fine, i remember being told the free market was wonderful and all we wanted was to be out of the Eu. Ho ho ho

    Edit. I will fix typos if someone gets entropy to update catches and v1 is shutdown and I can't recover my password on my pc. Mobile is awdul

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