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    Also, Blair himself is a big factor in people voting to leave, because his rabid Europhillia exposed us to the worst aspects of globalisation and also saw us give up a third of our rebate for an agricultural reform that never happened because the EU is so resistant to reform.
    You should not have had the rebate in the first place tbfh.

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    You should not have unified the European currencies.
    And destroyed all the Southern European economies to help German exporters in the process.
    That's mostly BS, the countries involved had pre-existing issues, some fell victim to pre-Euro speculation booms (Portugal), most never adjusted to increased productivity demands of a common market (Spain, Greece, Slovenia), and some are still utterly fucked (Italy).


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    Quote Originally Posted by lubica View Post

    That's mostly BS, the countries involved had pre-existing issues, some fell victim to pre-Euro speculation booms (Portugal), most never adjusted to increased productivity demands of a common market (Spain, Greece, Slovenia), and some are still utterly fucked (Italy).
    Germany and the ECB believe that every single country can simultaneously run economies with net trade surpluses. They're incapable of basic maths and structured a common market entirely based on an impossible trade balance.
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lubica View Post
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    Also, Blair himself is a big factor in people voting to leave, because his rabid Europhillia exposed us to the worst aspects of globalisation and also saw us give up a third of our rebate for an agricultural reform that never happened because the EU is so resistant to reform.
    You should not have had the rebate in the first place tbfh.

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    You should not have unified the European currencies.
    And destroyed all the Southern European economies to help German exporters in the process.
    That's mostly BS, the countries involved had pre-existing issues, some fell victim to pre-Euro speculation booms (Portugal), most never adjusted to increased productivity demands of a common market (Spain, Greece, Slovenia), and some are still utterly fucked (Italy).
    Eh there is also the factor of not being in charge of your monetary politics and doing things that are in YOUR best interest. ECB does what's in Germany best interest and that often isn't in the interest of other member states.


    

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    It's already impossible to set monetary policy to suit different regions within a single country, let alone do it across an entire continent. The whole idea of the euro is inherently flawed.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    It's already impossible to set monetary policy to suit different regions within a single country, let alone do it across an entire continent. The whole idea of the euro is inherently flawed.
    You have to do internal wealth transfer if you want to go the route of unified currency. As it was obvious with Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy that isn't likely to happen.


    

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    It's already impossible to set monetary policy to suit different regions within a single country, let alone do it across an entire continent. The whole idea of the euro is inherently flawed.
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    Tell that to the US, which has more people and a very diverse economy across the states.

    However the main difference is that they run a (mostly) unified economy and legal framework.

    Anyway, I wonder how the perception can be so skewed, in Germany it's more of a "the ECB isn't doing what Germany thinks ought to be done". Schäuble criticises the ECB regularly (btw those are four separate links).
    [/autism]
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    The US has an atrocious problem with inequality. 1 in 5 children is born into poverty.

    It's not exactly a role model for political economists, if anything it should serve as a stark warning.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    It's already impossible to set monetary policy to suit different regions within a single country, let alone do it across an entire continent. The whole idea of the euro is inherently flawed.
    [autism]
    Tell that to the US, which has more people and a very diverse economy across the states.

    However the main difference is that they run a (mostly) unified economy and legal framework.

    Anyway, I wonder how the perception can be so skewed, in Germany it's more of a "the ECB isn't doing what Germany thinks ought to be done". Schäuble criticises the ECB regularly (btw those are four separate links).
    [/autism]
    no if Schauble had his way we'd be stuck in a permanent recession, as long as he, or people who share his views on monetary policy, holding the post as finance minister in Germany the survival chances of the european union look bleak.

    stopping the loose monetary policy would further cripple the already badly damaged south-european economies and further drive opposition to the union, it also serves to further Germany's incessant drive towards the worlds largest surplus by further harming what investment is going on in that region and moving investment focus north.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    It's already impossible to set monetary policy to suit different regions within a single country, let alone do it across an entire continent. The whole idea of the euro is inherently flawed.
    [autism]
    Tell that to the US, which has more people and a very diverse economy across the states.

    However the main difference is that they run a (mostly) unified economy and legal framework.

    Anyway, I wonder how the perception can be so skewed, in Germany it's more of a "the ECB isn't doing what Germany thinks ought to be done". Schäuble criticises the ECB regularly (btw those are four separate links).
    [/autism]
    Ehhh. The US has the same problem the EU is facing. There is massive inequality across the states; a handful of states create the lion's shares of the US's income and so monetary policy is designed with maximizing the economy of these places at the expense of all the other states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    It's already impossible to set monetary policy to suit different regions within a single country, let alone do it across an entire continent. The whole idea of the euro is inherently flawed.
    [autism]
    Tell that to the US, which has more people and a very diverse economy across the states.

    However the main difference is that they run a (mostly) unified economy and legal framework.

    Anyway, I wonder how the perception can be so skewed, in Germany it's more of a "the ECB isn't doing what Germany thinks ought to be done". Schäuble criticises the ECB regularly (btw those are four separate links).
    [/autism]
    Add to that that each EU country has a seat in the ECB (decision making) Governing Council.

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    We brought... a single notebook, half a pack of postits and a pen to the meeting.

    Amazing.


    EDIT: I can't even see the pen.

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    Anything more than that would make them look like experts.

    And David Davis has had enough of experts.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Apparently Davis was mainly there for the photo op as he has to rush back to Westminster otherwise the government will fall apart.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralara View Post


    We brought... a single notebook, half a pack of postits and a pen to the meeting.

    Amazing.


    EDIT: I can't even see the pen.
    Well they brought the most important thing in the room, 3 men to the table; not a woman and a work study intern

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    It's already impossible to set monetary policy to suit different regions within a single country, let alone do it across an entire continent. The whole idea of the euro is inherently flawed.
    [autism]
    Tell that to the US, which has more people and a very diverse economy across the states.

    However the main difference is that they run a (mostly) unified economy and legal framework.

    Anyway, I wonder how the perception can be so skewed, in Germany it's more of a "the ECB isn't doing what Germany thinks ought to be done". Schäuble criticises the ECB regularly (btw those are four separate links).
    [/autism]
    Ehhh. The US has the same problem the EU is facing. There is massive inequality across the states; a handful of states create the lion's shares of the US's income and so monetary policy is designed with maximizing the economy of these places at the expense of all the other states.
    Maybe if those other states didn't vote for retarded republican religious throwbacks, they could share in an economy that was designed more than 300 years ago.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    It's already impossible to set monetary policy to suit different regions within a single country, let alone do it across an entire continent. The whole idea of the euro is inherently flawed.
    [autism]
    Tell that to the US, which has more people and a very diverse economy across the states.

    However the main difference is that they run a (mostly) unified economy and legal framework.

    Anyway, I wonder how the perception can be so skewed, in Germany it's more of a "the ECB isn't doing what Germany thinks ought to be done". Schäuble criticises the ECB regularly (btw those are four separate links).
    [/autism]
    Ehhh. The US has the same problem the EU is facing. There is massive inequality across the states; a handful of states create the lion's shares of the US's income and so monetary policy is designed with maximizing the economy of these places at the expense of all the other states.
    Maybe if those other states didn't vote for retarded republican religious throwbacks, they could share in an economy that was designed more than 300 years ago.
    To be quite frank many states simply have little to nothing in the way of material value and their location & climates make them undesirable places to live so they're sure as shit not going to attract companies or talent that can generate income.

    I mean seriously would you ever consider moving your business to New Mexico?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralara View Post


    We brought... a single notebook, half a pack of postits and a pen to the meeting.

    Amazing.


    EDIT: I can't even see the pen.
    blue thing in the hands of the elderly brunette on the left.
    Viking, n.:
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ralara View Post


    We brought... a single notebook, half a pack of postits and a pen to the meeting.

    Amazing.


    EDIT: I can't even see the pen.
    blue thing in the hands of the elderly brunette on the left.
    She's not on the UK side.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ralara View Post


    We brought... a single notebook, half a pack of postits and a pen to the meeting.

    Amazing.


    EDIT: I can't even see the pen.
    blue thing in the hands of the elderly brunette on the left.

    That's the EU side. The ones who look prepared, with all the papers, books and such.

    We're on the right (heh), with an A5 note book, half a stack of postits and nothing to write with.

    We did bring smiles, however. Smug smiles. I'm sure that will help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    It's already impossible to set monetary policy to suit different regions within a single country, let alone do it across an entire continent. The whole idea of the euro is inherently flawed.
    [autism]
    Tell that to the US, which has more people and a very diverse economy across the states.

    However the main difference is that they run a (mostly) unified economy and legal framework.

    Anyway, I wonder how the perception can be so skewed, in Germany it's more of a "the ECB isn't doing what Germany thinks ought to be done". Schäuble criticises the ECB regularly (btw those are four separate links).
    [/autism]
    Ehhh. The US has the same problem the EU is facing. There is massive inequality across the states; a handful of states create the lion's shares of the US's income and so monetary policy is designed with maximizing the economy of these places at the expense of all the other states.
    Maybe if those other states didn't vote for retarded republican religious throwbacks, they could share in an economy that was designed more than 300 years ago.
    To be quite frank many states simply have little to nothing in the way of material value and their location & climates make them undesirable places to live so they're sure as shit not going to attract companies or talent that can generate income.

    I mean seriously would you ever consider moving your business to New Mexico?
    Albuquerque has grown into a fairly nice town... Possibly. We'd specifically have to look at tax, etc, but there wouldn't be a major reason not to, other than all of us and our contacts are in the Bay Area. We are not really relying on U.S. based talent anyway, but realistically see ourselves as a global effort, so its really more about what kind of landscaping we want in the HQ photos...
    meh

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