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Thread: (UK EURO WAFFLE) Limey Civil War

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancehot View Post
    I'm not sure how shooting the best the Tories have to offer will improve things.
    Schumpeters' creative destruction. Supply side economics (which the tories love so much) dictates that out with the old and in with the new will spur innovation and constant improvement.
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancehot View Post
    I'm not sure how shooting the best the Tories have to offer will improve things.
    What could it hurt?
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    Tony Blair being a cunt as usual. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ack-tony-blair

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    Grauniad is still sucking Blair's cock?

    Why do they give him column space every time he opens his mouth?
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Grauniad is still sucking Blair's cock?

    Why do they give him column space every time he opens his mouth?
    They love New Labour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Grauniad is still sucking Blair's cock?

    Why do they give him column space every time he opens his mouth?
    They love New Labour.
    He isn't wrong though is he? Brexit *is* going to result in the impoverishment of poorer people in this country, at least in the short term.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Grauniad is still sucking Blair's cock?

    Why do they give him column space every time he opens his mouth?
    They love New Labour.
    He isn't wrong though is he? Brexit *is* going to result in the impoverishment of poorer people in this country, at least in the short term.
    Quite possibly, but he is also criticising the only workable solution to that, a massive state investment programme to support the economy. He's once again having a go at Corbyn for not kow towing to the Thatcher-Blair policitical consensus that has clearly been rejected by the population.

    Also, Blair himself is a big factor in people voting to leave, because his rabid Europhillia exposed us to the worst aspects of globalisation and also saw us give up a third of our rebate for an agricultural reform that never happened because the EU is so resistant to reform.

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    "clearly rejected" lol

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    It is being rejected, here and elsewhere. Even the Tories are starting to distance themselves from it. Neoliberalism is on its way out at last.

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    bit of a stretch

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    Not really, 40 years of making shit you don't need cheaper while the price of essentials like housing races away from everyone. Shitting up people's pensions and public services, and then the past 10 years of no growth and a further race to the bottom to see who can work for the lowest wage.

    The illusion was broken with the financial crash and people have been turning against it ever since, it's just now the political sphere has finally caught on.

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    "bit" of a stretch is being generous. It's lunatic fantasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    Not really, 40 years of making shit you don't need cheaper while the price of essentials like housing races away from everyone. Shitting up people's pensions and public services, and then the past 10 years of no growth and a further race to the bottom to see who can work for the lowest wage.

    The illusion was broken with the financial crash and people have been turning against it ever since, it's just now the political sphere has finally caught on.
    There is a gigantic difference between that and "clearly rejected by the population".

    The largest voting block voted for a party that had a platform embracing neo-liberalism. They lost voters on that platform, but there are still more that voted for that platform than against it.

    There is certainly a trend towards a rejection of neo-liberalism, but you are living in a very strange information-bubble if you think it has been rejected by the majority of the population.

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    A lot of Tory voters backed them for Brexit more than their economic policy, which was barely mentioned by them during the campaign at all. And what bigger example of neoliberalism in action is there than the EU itself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    A lot of Tory voters backed them for Brexit more than their economic policy, which was barely mentioned by them during the campaign at all. And what bigger example of neoliberalism in action is there than the EU itself?
    The US?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    A lot of Tory voters backed them for Brexit more than their economic policy, which was barely mentioned by them during the campaign at all. And what bigger example of neoliberalism in action is there than the EU itself?
    Both major parties supported going through with the brexit in this last election.

    The primary difference was their monetary policies.
    -The Tories directly ran on opposition to the so-called "magic-money-tree", keeping taxes low to support growth and extending austerity to new areas.
    -Labor ran on an increase in taxation and social spending, a re-nationalization of key services and a gigantic public infrastructure investment.

    The people voted for neo-liberalism. But only just.

    Next election they might not, but you are seriously overstating the level of rejection right now.

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    I would say it is a bit more nuanced than that. Labour's campaign and manifesto put their economic policy front and centre, the Tories mostly ignored the economy and focused on personal attacks (as usual) and Brexit. All they really talked about economically was vague, "we're strengthening the public finances" when a cursory glance at their actual economic record reveals what an unmitigated disaster it has been. I think many more Tory voters voted Tory through some misguided patriotism or desire for super hard Brexit as opposed to their economic offering.

    Anyway, the momentum is there and I have little doubt that neoliberalism will be dead an buried in this country soon enough. Hopefully Europe will follow once Macron destroys France with his banker boy policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post

    Also, Blair himself is a big factor in people voting to leave, because his rabid Europhillia exposed us to the worst aspects of globalisation and also saw us give up a third of our rebate for an agricultural reform that never happened because the EU is so resistant to reform.
    You should not have had the rebate in the first place tbfh.

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    Double whammy


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post

    Also, Blair himself is a big factor in people voting to leave, because his rabid Europhillia exposed us to the worst aspects of globalisation and also saw us give up a third of our rebate for an agricultural reform that never happened because the EU is so resistant to reform.
    You should not have had the rebate in the first place tbfh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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