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    Mildly amused that, as I don't like coffee, you're still worthless to me even though you've finally got a job
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    I love Malcanis!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Latest numbers of seats declared in the local elections...

    Labour: 1832 (+58)
    Cons: 1225 (-7)
    Lib Dem: 444 (+49)
    Green: 34 (+5)
    UKIP: 3 (-121)

    Much of the media are still saying that it was a bad night for Labour though.

    Latest news is that one seat that UKIP have retained is their one on BBC Question Time.
    Isn't this is a pretty bad result for an opposition party? Especially one that has the advantage of running against a tone-deaf and incompetent government?

    Democrats in the US have been taking Republican-dominated seats by storm. It's not like they're geniuses at politics either, so you really have to wonder at what your Labour party is doing wrong
    It's a poor result. Labour should be taking the tories to the fucking cleaners. Say what you like about Blair, he knew how to lead a political party. Our current government is way worse than even the tail-end of the Major regime, and current Labour couldn't even gain more MPs than them (compared to a >100 seat majority) and has failed to sweep them out of local government too.
    My impression of Corbyn is that he's some combination of incompetent and rudderless. The socialist and lefty policies should be an easy sell in a shit tier post-recession/gig-economy UK. And even easier when you are going up against a party that is completely indifferent to what people are experiencing
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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    My impression of Corbyn is that he's some combination of incompetent and rudderless. The socialist and lefty policies should be an easy sell in a shit tier post-recession/gig-economy UK. And even easier when you are going up against a party that is completely indifferent to what people are experiencing
    Throw in the ludicrous cult of personality and the whole possibly maybe hating jews thing and this is basically spot on. Last night was a disaster for Labour. The tories can win the country by winning outside the cities, and they'll be more than happy to have the ex-kippers back in the fold. Labour as the party of London and Manchester is a party of eternal opposition. Going backwards in London is absurd. Ambivalence towards brexit and consistent public incompetence has led to complete and utter stagnation.

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

    So with only one council remaining to get their arses in gear the results now look like this:

    (Total councillors / change)
    Labour 2310 / +59
    Conservative 1330 / +31
    Liberal Democrat 536 / +75
    Independent 96 / +16
    Residents' Association 46 / -2
    Green 39 / +8
    UKIP 3 / -123


    Labour still have more councillors and control more councils than anyone else, but that's a pretty piss poor performance given the near legendary levels of bungling from the conservatives over the last few years.
    The LibDems managed to make more gains than Labour and they've been in the political wilderness for ages now now. (Also, the LibDems taking South Cambridgeshire...woot?!)

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    "Labour still have more councillors..." will almost always be true, because Labour get votes in cities, where there are just more councillors. It's the vote share change in key areas that really matters. All of the key areas Labour targeted largely went nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Mildly amused that, as I don't like coffee, you're still worthless to me even though you've finally got a job
    i legit don't understand this post

    do you want to go 2 for 2 in being a moron/

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    "Labour still have more councillors..." will almost always be true, because Labour get votes in cities, where there are just more councillors. It's the vote share change in key areas that really matters. All of the key areas Labour targeted largely went nowhere.
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaikar View Post
    (Also, the LibDems taking South Cambridgeshire...woot?!)

    Well if its anything like their time in Cambridge then they will convince people to never vote for them again.

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    How much of the outcome is because Ukip voters switched to Tories while Labour was competing for the progressive vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaikar View Post
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

    So with only one council remaining to get their arses in gear the results now look like this:

    (Total councillors / change)
    Labour 2310 / +59
    Conservative 1330 / +31
    Liberal Democrat 536 / +75
    Independent 96 / +16
    Residents' Association 46 / -2
    Green 39 / +8
    UKIP 3 / -123


    Labour still have more councillors and control more councils than anyone else, but that's a pretty piss poor performance given the near legendary levels of bungling from the conservatives over the last few years.
    The LibDems managed to make more gains than Labour and they've been in the political wilderness for ages now now. (Also, the LibDems taking South Cambridgeshire...woot?!)
    These seats were last contested in 2014, when everyone agreed that Ed Miliband's Labour had had a pretty decent night (up 330 seats). These results improve on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    How much of the outcome is because Ukip voters switched to Tories while Labour was competing for the progressive vote?
    >UKIP only ever took votes from the Tories.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Shaikar View Post
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

    So with only one council remaining to get their arses in gear the results now look like this:

    (Total councillors / change)
    Labour 2310 / +59
    Conservative 1330 / +31
    Liberal Democrat 536 / +75
    Independent 96 / +16
    Residents' Association 46 / -2
    Green 39 / +8
    UKIP 3 / -123


    Labour still have more councillors and control more councils than anyone else, but that's a pretty piss poor performance given the near legendary levels of bungling from the conservatives over the last few years.
    The LibDems managed to make more gains than Labour and they've been in the political wilderness for ages now now. (Also, the LibDems taking South Cambridgeshire...woot?!)
    These seats were last contested in 2014, when everyone agreed that Ed Miliband's Labour had had a pretty decent night (up 330 seats). These results improve on that.
    um i guess there is the bit where labour have had another 4 years of tory headlines to slam them with, and could of and should of utterly smashed them

    but yes i guess a glacial improvement is still an improvement.

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    Here's the story behind one of those Tory council seats...

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...illor-12481278

    "The Tories took control of a council by reinstating a councillor suspended for racist tweets the morning of the poll."

    Needless to say, most of the Tory press and the BBC didn't give this much attention.

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    Meanwhile, back in reality, it was front page news with at least two articles

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44022663
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-44005594

    give over with your tin foil hattery

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Meanwhile, back in reality, it was front page news with at least two articles

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44022663
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-44005594

    give over with your tin foil hattery
    They gave it nowhere near the prominence that was given to the Ken Livingstone story, the Jared O'Meara story, or the Marc Wadsworth story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Meanwhile, back in reality, it was front page news with at least two articles

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44022663
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-44005594

    give over with your tin foil hattery
    They gave it nowhere near the prominence that was given to the Ken Livingstone story, the Jared O'Meara story, or the Marc Wadsworth story.
    But that was because the rightwing press was pushing hard to make Labour look anti-Semitic before the local elections. Duh!
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    ...i have no idea whats realy going on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    They gave it nowhere near the prominence that was given to the Ken Livingstone story, the Jared O'Meara story, or the Marc Wadsworth story.
    Who is "they" exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    But that was because the rightwing press was pushing hard to make Labour look anti-Semitic before the local elections. Duh!
    Parrotting the nonsense that Labour's antisemitism problem is the product of right wing media meddling is very, very nearly as bad as just coming out and saying how much you hate the jews.

    It is not a media myth. Labour has a problem with antisemitism. Labour has a bigger problem recognising its own antisemitism. The biggest problem is that trying to do anything about either of those problems is seen as a personal attack on Our Lord And Saviour Big JC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    But that was because the rightwing press was pushing hard to make Labour look anti-Semitic before the local elections. Duh!
    Parrotting the nonsense that Labour's antisemitism problem is the product of right wing media meddling is very, very nearly as bad as just coming out and saying how much you hate the jews.

    It is not a media myth. Labour has a problem with antisemitism. Labour has a bigger problem recognising its own antisemitism. The biggest problem is that trying to do anything about either of those problems is seen as a personal attack on Our Lord And Saviour Big JC.
    [citation needed]

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoirAvlaa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    But that was because the rightwing press was pushing hard to make Labour look anti-Semitic before the local elections. Duh!
    Parrotting the nonsense that Labour's antisemitism problem is the product of right wing media meddling is very, very nearly as bad as just coming out and saying how much you hate the jews.

    It is not a media myth. Labour has a problem with antisemitism. Labour has a bigger problem recognising its own antisemitism. The biggest problem is that trying to do anything about either of those problems is seen as a personal attack on Our Lord And Saviour Big JC.
    [citation needed]
    Got one that says otherwise?

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