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    Ahh this is better.

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    A weekly two hour Friday broadcast on BBC or ITV, hosted by Ant or Dec (whichever one didn't do the drunk driving thing), where they introduce all the bills for that week, a celebrity panel voice their opinions & the public phone in to vote. Results announced on Sunday when the winners are filmed meeting the queen (or a hologram of the queen if still it's airing when Charles is in charge).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancehot View Post
    A weekly two hour Friday broadcast on BBC or ITV, hosted by Ant or Dec (whichever one didn't do the drunk driving thing), where they introduce all the bills for that week, a celebrity panel voice their opinions & the public phone in to vote. Results announced on Sunday when the winners are filmed meeting the queen (or a hologram of the queen if still it's airing when Charles is in charge).
    And if you sponsor a bill and it doesn't get passed you have to eat insects live on TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lancehot View Post
    A weekly two hour Friday broadcast on BBC or ITV, hosted by Ant or Dec (whichever one didn't do the drunk driving thing), where they introduce all the bills for that week, a celebrity panel voice their opinions & the public phone in to vote. Results announced on Sunday when the winners are filmed meeting the queen (or a hologram of the queen if still it's airing when Charles is in charge).
    And if you sponsor a bill and it doesn't get passed you have to eat insects live on TV.
    actually this would be better with Dec, who did do the drunk driving.


    bonus points if he enters the stage via a mini and crashes into something, gets out and does a big smiley waheeeey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4m View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lancehot View Post
    A weekly two hour Friday broadcast on BBC or ITV, hosted by Ant or Dec (whichever one didn't do the drunk driving thing), where they introduce all the bills for that week, a celebrity panel voice their opinions & the public phone in to vote. Results announced on Sunday when the winners are filmed meeting the queen (or a hologram of the queen if still it's airing when Charles is in charge).
    And if you sponsor a bill and it doesn't get passed you have to eat insects live on TV.
    actually this would be better with Dec, who did do the drunk driving.


    bonus points if he enters the stage via a mini and crashes into something, gets out and does a big smiley waheeeey

    Nah Ant is the drink driver. Dec is the short one.

    Did you not into Byker Grove?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandzibar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4m View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lancehot View Post
    A weekly two hour Friday broadcast on BBC or ITV, hosted by Ant or Dec (whichever one didn't do the drunk driving thing), where they introduce all the bills for that week, a celebrity panel voice their opinions & the public phone in to vote. Results announced on Sunday when the winners are filmed meeting the queen (or a hologram of the queen if still it's airing when Charles is in charge).
    And if you sponsor a bill and it doesn't get passed you have to eat insects live on TV.
    actually this would be better with Dec, who did do the drunk driving.


    bonus points if he enters the stage via a mini and crashes into something, gets out and does a big smiley waheeeey

    Nah Ant is the drink driver. Dec is the short one.

    Did you not into Byker Grove?
    BYKER.... GROOOOOVE OOOOOOH. BYKER BYKER. BYKER GROOOOOVE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoirAvlaa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandzibar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4m View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lancehot View Post
    A weekly two hour Friday broadcast on BBC or ITV, hosted by Ant or Dec (whichever one didn't do the drunk driving thing), where they introduce all the bills for that week, a celebrity panel voice their opinions & the public phone in to vote. Results announced on Sunday when the winners are filmed meeting the queen (or a hologram of the queen if still it's airing when Charles is in charge).
    And if you sponsor a bill and it doesn't get passed you have to eat insects live on TV.
    actually this would be better with Dec, who did do the drunk driving.


    bonus points if he enters the stage via a mini and crashes into something, gets out and does a big smiley waheeeey

    Nah Ant is the drink driver. Dec is the short one.

    Did you not into Byker Grove?
    BYKER.... GROOOOOVE OOOOOOH. BYKER BYKER. BYKER GROOOOOVE.
    remember the theme tune but actually never watched it.

    well you know what i meant anyway

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    My point of view is that the FPTP system is the biggest blight on the structure of British democracy. But I also agree that waiting for the election and then vote a party that is in favour changing it (to something else) means that you'll be too late. Mostly likely your protest vote will be meaningless, and will only give either the Tories or the Labour the seat.

    No, if changing the electoral system is what you really want, you work must start today. As far as I know, almost all the smaller parties are in favour of changing away from FPTP. And this includes the SNP, who were the biggest benefactors of the system last time round. They're not the holdouts, and so it is pointless to lobby them for something they're already in favour of. Instead you'd need to lobby one of the two biggest parties. And since there is no chance that the Tories will ever change their tune on this, that leaves Labour. With them it will be an uphill battle as well, but not an impossible one.

    Because Labour is in a bit of a funny situation right now. By rights they shouldn't be in favour of a system that benefits them. BUT, although the 'youthquacke' last election was mostly myth, the need the youth vote more than ever next time round. And getting rid of FPTP is one of those typically youth issues that British politics need to address of it to remain legitimate in their eyes. Meaning that they might as well take a chance.

    But it still remains a struggle there, as you'd also have to convince the old (neo-lib) hands of the party. More specifically, you'd have to come up with a working alternative. Plain AV won't get you any support anymore, while direct proportional won't get you constituent MPs (which the British public wants to keep). Which gets you what? AV+? AV++?

    At any rate, "the works starts now". If you'll just sit on your arse and tick a box every 5 years nothing will ever change, and you'll just play into the hands of the establishment political class (you'll love you for doing just that).
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    ...i have no idea whats realy going on...

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    Once again, I'm not saying it's all you should do, but if you believe it's fundamentally damaging our democracy, asking a benefactor of the current system to change but voting for them anyway when they don't means all of your efforts are for nought.

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    You don't change the system. The system changes you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    My point of view is that the FPTP system is the biggest blight on the structure of British democracy. But I also agree that waiting for the election and then vote a party that is in favour changing it (to something else) means that you'll be too late. Mostly likely your protest vote will be meaningless, and will only give either the Tories or the Labour the seat.

    No, if changing the electoral system is what you really want, you work must start today. As far as I know, almost all the smaller parties are in favour of changing away from FPTP. And this includes the SNP, who were the biggest benefactors of the system last time round. They're not the holdouts, and so it is pointless to lobby them for something they're already in favour of. Instead you'd need to lobby one of the two biggest parties. And since there is no chance that the Tories will ever change their tune on this, that leaves Labour. With them it will be an uphill battle as well, but not an impossible one.

    Because Labour is in a bit of a funny situation right now. By rights they shouldn't be in favour of a system that benefits them. BUT, although the 'youthquacke' last election was mostly myth, the need the youth vote more than ever next time round. And getting rid of FPTP is one of those typically youth issues that British politics need to address of it to remain legitimate in their eyes. Meaning that they might as well take a chance.

    But it still remains a struggle there, as you'd also have to convince the old (neo-lib) hands of the party. More specifically, you'd have to come up with a working alternative. Plain AV won't get you any support anymore, while direct proportional won't get you constituent MPs (which the British public wants to keep). Which gets you what? AV+? AV++?

    At any rate, "the works starts now". If you'll just sit on your arse and tick a box every 5 years nothing will ever change, and you'll just play into the hands of the establishment political class (you'll love you for doing just that).
    During the AV campaign, we were told every week that Ed Miliband would be making a speech in the next few days where he would put Labour firmly behind the Yes campaign. It never happened.

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    Because, as we've well established, AV is pretty much the only system worse than FPTP. We all know that referendum was simply a party political play to outmaneuver the hapless lib dems. Unfortunately it also set the scene for brexit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Because, as we've well established, AV is pretty much the only system worse than FPTP. We all know that referendum was simply a party political play to outmaneuver the hapless lib dems. Unfortunately it also set the scene for brexit.
    That's true to an extent, but the fact is that a No result was always going to lead to reform being off the table for 20 years whilst a Yes result would have allowed for further reforms.

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    Miliband explicitly said he supported AV, but not PR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Because, as we've well established, AV is pretty much the only system worse than FPTP. We all know that referendum was simply a party political play to outmaneuver the hapless lib dems. Unfortunately it also set the scene for brexit.
    That's true to an extent, but the fact is that a No result was always going to lead to reform being off the table for 20 years whilst a Yes result would have allowed for further reforms.
    This isn't a fact, its pure fantasy. The lib dems traded an unwinnable referendum on a system nobody wanted in return for tripling tuition fees and privatising higher education. They got played.

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    Launch a single issue coalition party for "Electorial reform and immidiate re-election".
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    But islamism IS a product of class warfare. Rich white countries come into developing brown dictatorships, wreck the leadership, infrastructure and economy and then act all surprised that religious fanaticism is on the rise.
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    walrus isnt a bad poster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Launch a single issue coalition party for "Electorial reform and immidiate re-election".
    It worked for UKIP...

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Because, as we've well established, AV is pretty much the only system worse than FPTP. We all know that referendum was simply a party political play to outmaneuver the hapless lib dems. Unfortunately it also set the scene for brexit.
    That's true to an extent, but the fact is that a No result was always going to lead to reform being off the table for 20 years whilst a Yes result would have allowed for further reforms.
    This isn't a fact, its pure fantasy. The lib dems traded an unwinnable referendum on a system nobody wanted in return for tripling tuition fees and privatising higher education. They got played.
    In a shocking twist of events, I agree with elmicker.

    They got utterly outplayed in that coalition - they got given a referendum that the Tories promptly shut down with their vastly more effective media abilities and much deeper pockets, and in exchange they compromised two of their core manifesto pledges, thus poisoning them for a generation of voters.
    'I'm pro life. I'm a non-smoker. I'm a pro-life non-smoker. WOO, Let the party begin!'

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    Who was the local FHC UK lawyer

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    Rule against perpetuities clause.

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