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    I've got some anecdotal evidence if you want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    >In the past this may have been true but these days most rich folk are those who have earned their riches

    I'm on team "fuck inheritance tax" but even I know that this statement is a load of bollocks
    Source please.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    >In the past this may have been true but these days most rich folk are those who have earned their riches

    I'm on team "fuck inheritance tax" but even I know that this statement is a load of bollocks
    Source please.
    Its up to the original argument to prove their point.

    So you are welcome to source how "most rich folks these days" didn't inherit money (and in the concept all kinds of valuable assets should be included).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timaios View Post
    I'm actually trying to find data and it seems that I can't really find good sources that I could trust (like data from OECD/World Bank/similar source). But what everything seems to be telling me, it's actually true - a large majority seem to have earned their millions instead of inheriting it.
    Intergenerational mobility data is what you're after, rather than direct flow of capital; inheritance is only a small component of the rich staying rich.

    https://www.oecd.org/centrodemexico/medios/44582910.pdf

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    tbf I was just going off my "parents have money, send kid to good school, give them opportunities that poorer families won't, pay through Uni etc" headcanon, but then again I'm from a relatively well off family and I threw all those opportunities away because I'm a twat

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    tbf I was just going off my "parents have money, send kid to good school, give them opportunities that poorer families won't, pay through Uni etc" headcanon, but then again I'm from a relatively well off family and I threw all those opportunities away because I'm a twat
    Its pretty much what Elmicker is saying with his source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    tbf I was just going off my "parents have money, send kid to good school, give them opportunities that poorer families won't, pay through Uni etc" headcanon, but then again I'm from a relatively well off family and I threw all those opportunities away because I'm a twat
    Its pretty much what Elmicker is saying with his source.
    yeah pretty much, I thought it was common sense

    nbs that the places with better mobility are those with socialized higher education (and Australia, for some reason?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    (and Australia, for some reason?)
    Immigration of highly skilled individuals perhaps?

    Or they're cheating and not counting the aboriginal population.
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    Just for the record, "sending a needy text" is never the right answer.

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    For those interested, CNN just did a whole to-do on the UK National Healthcare System "By the Numbers".

    https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...hs-in-numbers/


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    Damn I love the NHS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Timaios View Post
    I'm actually trying to find data and it seems that I can't really find good sources that I could trust (like data from OECD/World Bank/similar source). But what everything seems to be telling me, it's actually true - a large majority seem to have earned their millions instead of inheriting it.
    Intergenerational mobility data is what you're after, rather than direct flow of capital; inheritance is only a small component of the rich staying rich.

    https://www.oecd.org/centrodemexico/medios/44582910.pdf
    Yeah, sorry, that's obvious of course. I was thinking more about the 1%, or the proper millionaires and such but then I reread the original argument and we didn't actually even talk about the millionaires, just rich people.

    Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. - Blaise Pascal, Pensées, 277

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    Damn I love the NHS.
    Every one of the 48 people hospitalised due to the London Bridge attack survived. Not one of them has had to give even a single thought to the cost of that heroic effort.

    It's a damned fine system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    Damn I love the NHS.
    Every one of the 48 people hospitalised due to the London Bridge attack survived. Not one of them has had to give even a single thought to the cost of that heroic effort.

    It's a damned fine system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    For those interested, CNN just did a whole to-do on the UK National Healthcare System "By the Numbers".

    https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...hs-in-numbers/
    yeh but it's communism, think of the poor insurance execs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoirAvlaa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    For those interested, CNN just did a whole to-do on the UK National Healthcare System "By the Numbers".

    https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...hs-in-numbers/
    yeh but it's communism, think of the poor insurance execs!
    Its not communism.

    Its the NHS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4m View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NoirAvlaa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    For those interested, CNN just did a whole to-do on the UK National Healthcare System "By the Numbers".

    https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...hs-in-numbers/
    yeh but it's communism, think of the poor insurance execs!
    Its not communism.

    Its the NHS.
    why should my taxes pay for other people's poor health choices?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    I'm a twat
    Golly... no, really...
    "I think we could all do with sitting back a bit and detaching ourselves from the situation to really think about how these issues reflect on our future and how we discuss them here and be a bit less aggressive or defensive because everyone has a complicated set of circumstances that has led the to place importance on particular issues and it doesn't meany any of them is less valid, we just need to look at the broader picture"

    Smuggo - Brexit Thread

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    the labour/jewish thing rumbles on; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44732720

    Labour's code, which was approved by a sub-committee of its National Executive Committee, came about after the 2016 Chakrabarti inquiry into anti-Semitism. It does endorse the IHRA's working definition of anti-Semitism and includes behaviours it lists as likely to be regarded as anti-Semitic - but leaves out four examples:

    Accusing Jewish people of being more loyal to Israel than their home country
    Claiming that Israel's existence as a state is a racist endeavour
    Requiring higher standards of behaviour from Israel than other nations
    Comparing contemporary Israeli policies to those of the Nazis

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    Is Palestine a ghetto?
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoirAvlaa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4m View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NoirAvlaa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    For those interested, CNN just did a whole to-do on the UK National Healthcare System "By the Numbers".

    https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...hs-in-numbers/
    yeh but it's communism, think of the poor insurance execs!
    Its not communism.

    Its the NHS.
    why should my taxes pay for other people's poor health choices?
    Why shouldn't they?


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