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    Pretty sure the main problem is bourgeois democracy and the weird patriotic apologism for a terrible system of government.

    I blame the fabians tbh.
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Pretty sure the main problem is bourgeois democracy and the weird patriotic apologism for a terrible system of government.

    I blame the fabians tbh.
    and the angles the saxons and the jutes

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    Yet again you miss my point. I'm not arguing with you about the performance of the party. It's poor, we're not attacking the Tories where we can and we're infighting. I sit in CLP meetings when I can get to them and say the same thing and people don't disagree.

    I'm asking you who fixes this because I want to know, because I don't see it. I was all set up to vote for other people in both 2015 and 2016 and they ran such godawful campaigns that I voted for Corbyn out of spite the first time and because I didn't like the underhanded nature of the campaign the second time. And part of the piss poor campaign is that nobody seems to understand how to attack the Tories effectively. The moderates don't and the Corbyn faction doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zekk Pacus View Post
    I'm not arguing with you about the performance of the party. ...
    No, you're attacking me as a "moderate" (as if that's some sort of dirty term) and demanding i present a fully formed alternative leadership, as if I'm suggesting the leadership step aside. Why? Because I dare to criticise that the newest members of our national executive have chosen to spend their effort cleansing the party officers positions rather than do something productive.

    Who fixes this? The leadership. Their authority is not in doubt. Their political capital within the party is near unlimited. They've chosen to spend it on ideological infighting and lobbying for a hard brexit.

    Defend that.

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    Why do you think they're lobbying for a hard brexit?

    Hint: it isn't to spite the moderates.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zekk Pacus View Post
    It's poor, we're not attacking the Tories where we can and we're infighting..
    It's funny, that's precisely what all the Tory voters I know are saying about the Tories.

    Labour is being stupid on a daily basis and there is hardly any response if any from the Tories, it's pathetic

    [no i don't care to get into an back and forth about how Labour is stupid just think anti-semitism, spending plans and brexit position and lots more i can't recall offhand]
    "I think we could all do with sitting back a bit and detaching ourselves from the situation to really think about how these issues reflect on our future and how we discuss them here and be a bit less aggressive or defensive because everyone has a complicated set of circumstances that has led the to place importance on particular issues and it doesn't meany any of them is less valid, we just need to look at the broader picture"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crystalline Entity View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zekk Pacus View Post
    It's poor, we're not attacking the Tories where we can and we're infighting..
    It's funny, that's precisely what all the Tory voters I know are saying about the Tories.

    Labour is being stupid on a daily basis and there is hardly any response if any from the Tories, it's pathetic

    [no i don't care to get into an back and forth about how Labour is stupid just think anti-semitism, spending plans and brexit position and lots more i can't recall offhand]
    WHAT
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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Crystalline Entity View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zekk Pacus View Post
    It's poor, we're not attacking the Tories where we can and we're infighting..
    It's funny, that's precisely what all the Tory voters I know are saying about the Tories.

    Labour is being stupid on a daily basis and there is hardly any response if any from the Tories, it's pathetic

    [no i don't care to get into an back and forth about how Labour is stupid just think anti-semitism, spending plans and brexit position and lots more i can't recall offhand]
    WHAT
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    JEWS?

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    Meester is too retarded to understand a two word post.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Post less about Brexit and more about MiFiD II that has just come into full force.

    Good summary article from the Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/...tory-nonsense/

    [the pastebin for 2 weeks for those that don’t pay for the UKs best newspaper : https://pastebin.com/7Tpp1JAT ]

    That article was a week or so ago and even though it is Righty it is a fairly balanced piece imo and a good explanation of how the regulations will impact the city.

    A more ranty piece from a more partisan source:
    https://capx.co/the-city-cannot-affo...rous-eu-rules/

    It is showing that business is already moving away…

    Now, im sure many here will be “lol fuck the City” and “make them pay”.

    And no, before any of you twats says “you must be anti-regulation completely” in your absolutist internet way. I am not and never have been. I am anti-excessive regulation. Which is where a debate could occur.

    Even if Brexit wasn’t happening this is still a shitstorm.
    "I think we could all do with sitting back a bit and detaching ourselves from the situation to really think about how these issues reflect on our future and how we discuss them here and be a bit less aggressive or defensive because everyone has a complicated set of circumstances that has led the to place importance on particular issues and it doesn't meany any of them is less valid, we just need to look at the broader picture"

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    lol, that author could not be more clueless if she'd drunk bleach before writing that

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    "regulatory nonsense" bruv
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zekk Pacus View Post
    Yet again you miss my point. I'm not arguing with you about the performance of the party. It's poor, we're not attacking the Tories where we can and we're infighting. I sit in CLP meetings when I can get to them and say the same thing and people don't disagree.

    I'm asking you who fixes this because I want to know, because I don't see it. I was all set up to vote for other people in both 2015 and 2016 and they ran such godawful campaigns that I voted for Corbyn out of spite the first time and because I didn't like the underhanded nature of the campaign the second time. And part of the piss poor campaign is that nobody seems to understand how to attack the Tories effectively. The moderates don't and the Corbyn faction doesn't.
    The same complaint has been levelled against every single opposition that I can remember, be they Tory or Labour (yes, including Cameron and Blair).

    In part it's down to the way the broadcast media allows the government of the day to set the news agenda.

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    Mifid II isn't that big a deal and is pretty much a necessary bit of regulation considering how opaque financial business can be.

    This is easily apparent because the first comment passed on it by The Telegraph is related to how many pages it is written on. If it actually mattered they would write something of substance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    lol, that author could not be more clueless if she'd drunk bleach before writing that
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Mifid II isn't that big a deal and is pretty much a necessary bit of regulation considering how opaque financial business can be.

    This is easily apparent because the first comment passed on it by The Telegraph is related to how many pages it is written on. If it actually mattered they would write something of substance.
    Pretty much. That article reads like the author has no idea so is just hopping on the nearest "eeeeww EU" cart.
    At least as far as derivatives are concerned, not involved in the shares side of things. v0v

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    It was the "THERE IS LITERALLY NO WAY TO SEARCH THAT MUCH DATA" bit that got me. It must be nice to have so few standards as to be able to write about a topic when you know so little about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    It was the "THERE IS LITERALLY NO WAY TO SEARCH THAT MUCH DATA" bit that got me. It must be nice to have so few standards as to be able to write about a topic when you know so little about it.
    All you need to know is that you hate regulation in order to write about any regulation at all in the telegraph
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    I like the new telegraph unit of measure 'number of bibles'.

    The article goes from 'its impossible to capture this much data', to 'we already capture this much data for other regulation' in a couple of paragraphs, so they can't do something they already do?

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    Loving how Macron assblasted Saint Theresas muh post-brexit-passporting dreams at this press conference yesterday

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...into-eu-budget

    Macron rebuffs City deal after Brexit unless UK pays into EU budget
    French president rejects ‘differentiated financial services access’, says ‘choice is up to UK’


    French president Emmanuel Macron has rejected the idea of a tailored Brexit deal for the City, insisting Britain will not be allowed full access to European Union markets, including financial services, unless it pays into the EU budget and accepts all its rules.

    Macron delivered the tough message at the end of a joint press conference with Theresa May at Sandhurst military training college on Thursday. A day-long UK-EU summit was held to underline the close relationship between the two countries after earlier news of a 45m British boost to border security in Calais.


    Financial services is one of the sectors in which France hopes to seize an increased share of the EU market after Brexit. City firms are concerned about new trade barriers, including the loss of so-called “passporting” rights, that allow them to operate throughout the EU from headquarters in London.

    Asked whether France would seek to “punish” Britain, by insisting financial services should not be included in a UK-EU trade deal after Brexit, Macron said, “I’m not here to punish or reward”.

    “The choice is up to Britain: it’s not my choice – but they can have no differentiated access to financial services,” he said. “If you want access for financial services, be my guest – but it means you have to contribute to the budget, and accept European jurisdiction. It’s a situation that exists for Norway”.


    The alternative was a Canada-style trade deal, he said, which could include financial services, but would not include access “on the same level” as existing EU members.

    Brussels has consistently stressed that Britain will not be allowed to “cherry-pick” sectors, but Brexit secretary David Davis has said he is seeking a “Canada plus plus plus” arrangement, based on the EU-Canada trade treaty, but with additional access for services.

    Britain hopes that with the first stage of talks out of the way, it will be able to capitalise on close trading relationships with key EU allies to achieve a bespoke deal – but Macron said France would stick to the agreed script.

    Protecting the integrity of the single market meant that if Britain chooses a Canada-style deal, it cannot be offered the same access to the single market that membership allows, the French president added. “There should be no hypocrisy in this respect, or it would not work and we would destroy the single market.”


    The prime minister pointed out that she had said in her Lancaster House speech that Britain would leave the single market after Brexit; but she hoped to achieve a “deep and special partnership” with the EU27.

    May said: “I would not want to exclude any sector in the trade agreement to come ... But it does not mean that the access it will allow will be equivalent to [being] a member of the single market.”

    On the issue of London, May said it would continue to be “a major global financial centre,” insisting that would be to the benefit of the UK, Europe and the global financial system.

    Brexit was not formally on the agenda at the summit, where ministers including foreign secretary Boris Johnson and culture secretary Matt Hancock met their French counterparts to signal the breadth of cooperation between the two countries on issues from artificial intelligence to weapons construction.

    Asked how he felt about what he called “the Brexit” and whether he hoped it would be reversed, Macron said: “I very much respect the choice of the British people even though I regret it.”

    May and Macron also confirmed a 45m boost to investment in border security in Calais, which the French president said would help to speed up processing times for migrants, to one month for adults, and 25 days for unaccompanied children.

    Macron stressed that a new “Sandhurst Treaty” signed at the summit will sit alongside the existing Le Touquet treaty, and help to improve the situation for migrants in Calais, which he visited earlier this week. He said migrants must be treated, “more humanely and in a more efficient manner”.

    The prime minister, asked whether she was getting little in return for the pledge of more cash, said it would improve Britain’s border security. “It is in our interests,” she insisted.

    Both leaders repeatedly underlined the close relationship between the UK and France, as they confirmed that the Bayeux Tapestry will come to Britain on loan, in 2022.


    “I am honoured at the loan of such a precious piece of our shared history which yet again underscores the closeness of our relationship,” May said.

    Macron said with the range of bilateral agreements, across culture, security, art and trade, the new countries were, “making a new tapestry together”.

    Earlier, the prime minister hosted a small working lunch with Macron at a gastropub, the Royal Oak, in her constituency, before they travelled to Sandhurst to be greeted with a military band and an RAF flypast.

    The Ministry of Defence and the French defence ministry issued a joint communique setting out a series of steps the two countries will take.

    They will establish “a UK-France defence ministerial council”, to act as a “permanent and regular forum”, for the French and British defence secretaries to exchange ideas and carry out joint planning.

    The announcement came alongside confirmation that the UK will send three Chinook transport helicopters to aid France’s anti-terrorist operation in Mali.

    Johnson also tweeted that the two countries had decided to establish a joint “panel of experts” to examine future projects – adding that perhaps the Channel Tunnel should be “just the first step”.

    French officials stressed that Thursday’s summit was unconnected to the Brexit negotiations, despite reports that Britain hopes the 45m in additional funds it will provide for security in Calais and the surrounding area could help to win support from France for a generous trade deal.

    In a major speech in September, Macron called for a “profound transformation” of the EU after Brexit, which would see a core of countries bind themselves together more closely, with common defence, asylum and tax policies.

    He also suggested other countries might choose less integration, in an EU in which the UK could “one day find its place again”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoffl View Post
    Loving how Macron assblasted Saint Theresas muh post-brexit-passporting dreams at this press conference yesterday
    More like rebuked Luxembourg sideways. They're proposing to allow passporting through shell companies: https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/90...de-Switzerland

    Shithole country C/D

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