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    Quote Originally Posted by Jori McKie View Post
    The case of the Diamond Princess cruise ship might be the most important one to get numbers. It sounds cruel but with the quarantined ship scientists/doctors can observe in a controlled environment how the virus is spreading, infection and death rates etc.

    Right now it is not clear yet, if the virus is airborne or only transmitted via droplets. Most hints suggest it is not airborne but with the cruise ship case we will know for sure.

    Numbers:
    quarantined since 4th of Feb (can't find an exact date)
    3700 souls on board
    135 infected
    no death reported yet
    > quarantined since 4th of Feb (can't find an exact date)

    Quite close: quarantined since 3rd of Feb: Stress, heart attacks, and 135 coronavirus cases on quarantined cruise ship

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jori McKie View Post
    The case of the Diamond Princess cruise ship might be the most important one to get numbers. It sounds cruel but with the quarantined ship scientists/doctors can observe in a controlled environment how the virus is spreading, infection and death rates etc.

    Right now it is not clear yet, if the virus is airborne or only transmitted via droplets. Most hints suggest it is not airborne but with the cruise ship case we will know for sure.

    Numbers:
    quarantined since 4th of Feb (can't find an exact date)
    3700 souls on board
    135 infected
    no death reported yet
    > quarantined since 4th of Feb (can't find an exact date)

    Quite close: quarantined since 3rd of Feb: Stress, heart attacks, and 135 coronavirus cases on quarantined cruise ship
    Jeez it must be unbearably boring to be quarantined on a cruise ship. 14 day quarantine, and likely to be extended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by August View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jori McKie View Post
    The case of the Diamond Princess cruise ship might be the most important one to get numbers. It sounds cruel but with the quarantined ship scientists/doctors can observe in a controlled environment how the virus is spreading, infection and death rates etc.

    Right now it is not clear yet, if the virus is airborne or only transmitted via droplets. Most hints suggest it is not airborne but with the cruise ship case we will know for sure.

    Numbers:
    quarantined since 4th of Feb (can't find an exact date)
    3700 souls on board
    135 infected
    no death reported yet
    > quarantined since 4th of Feb (can't find an exact date)

    Quite close: quarantined since 3rd of Feb: Stress, heart attacks, and 135 coronavirus cases on quarantined cruise ship
    Jeez it must be unbearably boring to be quarantined on a cruise ship. 14 day quarantine, and likely to be extended.
    Every time there is a new case the clock is reset.

    Japan is completely fucking this up. A cabin on a cruise boat is not a proper quarantine at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post

    Japan is completely fucking this up. A cabin on a cruise boat is not a proper quarantine at all.
    What are the practical alternatives which don't risk exposure on land?
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Torpedo the ship

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    If you're not going FULL retard, it's usually quite manageable to book out a whole hotel and sequester people into rooms. Augment (or outright replace, according to severity) normal hotel staff with trained medical personnel and go from there. If you're careful about managing cross-contamination you can isolate by room or floor, for example. That can limit spread and increase turnover of detainees because you're not constantly resetting the countdown every time some loose cunt gets the sniffles.

    Superficially a cruise ship cabin is a similar environment but it's more complex because (for example) you've got crew moving about servicing the vessel. The only advantage it really has is it's easier to maintain the cordon sanitaire with the outside world.

    EDIT: honestly, a few weeks by myself in a hotel room - floating, or not - sounds quite delightful to me, as long as I have my Kindle. Obviously not so ideal if you're old, feeble and prone to over-excitement induced by an artificial climate of fear...
    Last edited by Sparq; February 11 2020 at 03:15:46 PM.

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    Do cruise ships have a quarantine area in the sick bays?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaztick View Post
    Do cruise ships have a quarantine area in the sick bays?
    If they did, probably not big enough for all 3700 passengers.
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    I've never understood the appeal of a cruise as a holiday.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Thats because youre not in your late 60s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparq View Post
    If you're not going FULL retard, it's usually quite manageable to book out a whole hotel and sequester people into rooms. Augment (or outright replace, according to severity) normal hotel staff with trained medical personnel and go from there. If you're careful about managing cross-contamination you can isolate by room or floor, for example. That can limit spread and increase turnover of detainees because you're not constantly resetting the countdown every time some loose cunt gets the sniffles.

    Superficially a cruise ship cabin is a similar environment but it's more complex because (for example) you've got crew moving about servicing the vessel. The only advantage it really has is it's easier to maintain the cordon sanitaire with the outside world.

    EDIT: honestly, a few weeks by myself in a hotel room - floating, or not - sounds quite delightful to me, as long as I have my Kindle. Obviously not so ideal if you're old, feeble and prone to over-excitement induced by an artificial climate of fear...
    The crew's not trained for this type of thing I'd guess. They have to deliver food safely, clean the sheets, take out the waste, and handle any other business. Just a few of them getting sick while doing this will get a lot of other people sick

    It's clear that Japan doesn't give a shit, so the crew is stuck doing a job they're not prepared for.
    Last edited by mewninn; February 11 2020 at 05:39:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaztick View Post
    Do cruise ships have a quarantine area in the sick bays?
    No, but they have crematoriums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post

    Japan is completely fucking this up. A cabin on a cruise boat is not a proper quarantine at all.
    What are the practical alternatives which don't risk exposure on land?
    Sparq allready said much about it. Ever been on such a cruise ship? With everybody in their cabins there is plenty of room for medical staff to actually move on to the ship and treat people. Is it hospital grade? no of course not but keeping people in cabins is not much protection against spreading of the virus. They are talking to neighbours on balcony's and getting almost no information.
    Create makeshift medical rooms, have actual medical staff move around the ship and help people, there is plenty they can do.
    It is indeed clear Japan does not give a flying fuck about foreign sick people.
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    How long before they start jumping ship?

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    There's a reason plague ships are a thing, it's not really about what's best for the passengers.

    Functionally though (in terms of storing people), there's very little difference between a hotel and a cruise ship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorvil Barranis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaztick View Post
    Do cruise ships have a quarantine area in the sick bays?
    If they did, probably not big enough for all 3700 passengers.
    You can broadly compare a cruise ship to a small town. The medical bay is very much like a town clinic providing 24 hour emergency care. On average, there will be something like 1-2 doctors and about twice as many nursing staff, exact specifics depending on factors such as the size of the cruise liner (and therefore passenger capacity) and passenger demographics (older people, more vulnerable to illness).

    In normal circumstances the medical bay provides treatment for minor (non-emergency) conditions, otherwise it just facilitates stabilization for common life threatening conditions such as coronary events or broken limbs from falls. Seriously ill patients are medically evacuated to land for treatment as soon as possible, just like how a town clinic will transfer people by ambulance to a fully equipped hospital.

    The medical staff crewing the bay will have knowledge and experience treating infectious disease, as they commonly have to combat influenza and gastrointestinal conditions in crew and passengers. Normally this involves confining the patients to their cabins for the duration (much as is being done now) coupled with surface disinfection regimes.

    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    The crew's not trained for this type of thing I'd guess. They have to deliver food safely, clean the sheets, take out the waste, and handle any other business. Just a few of them getting sick while doing this will get a lot of other people sick

    It's clear that Japan doesn't give a shit, so the crew is stuck doing a job they're not prepared for.
    This is what I meant by conditions on ship being more complex than on land. Crew are constantly moving about servicing the ship (and passenger accommodations) and while they'll also have experience with normal flu & stomach bugs, the apparent overlap of incubation period and communicability make this more difficult to combat.

    I get the impression Japan is trying but this is an unusual situation coupled with a high degree of media interest exacerbating the slightest thing. I know a lot has been made about 'medication shortages' but cruise ships only have relatively basic pharmacies to begin with and it takes a little time & organisation to change that, especially in a foreign country. It's inconvienient, but it's not going to become life-threatening.

    My one armchair criticism of their response would be in the wake of the news today about a quarantine official becoming infected after collecting and processing questionnaires from passengers on Diamond Princess while wearing mask & gloves would be to cut the crap and go to BSL-4 PPE for front-line staff who interchange ship to shore and are handling what should be considered contaminated materials.

    Also, apparently passengers have been allowed on deck in shifts 'in order to get fresh air' which is also dumb. By now, they should understand an exposed population of people shouldn't be mixing like that. As Sacul noted the cruise ship isn't an ideal location and there are already too many opportunities for people to mix together (and too much incentive to do so if they aren't given the appropriate information).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaztick View Post
    Do cruise ships have a quarantine area in the sick bays?
    No, but they have crematoriums.
    Really? I read that people who die on a cruise are stored in the large cold storage rooms the cruise ships have until the body can be repatriated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaztick View Post
    Do cruise ships have a quarantine area in the sick bays?
    No, but they have crematoriums.
    Really? I read that people who die on a cruise are stored in the large cold storage rooms the cruise ships have until the body can be repatriated.
    New cruise ships have a dedicated morgue. Older cruise ships and liners used the cold storage. It was known in certain circles that if you saw the crew all chowing down on ice-cream that someone had just died and they were making space for the corpse.

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    Update Diamond Princess 12.02.2020

    Numbers:
    quarantined since 3rd of Feb
    3700 souls on board
    174 infected
    no death reported yet but 4 in serious condition

    Although a cruise ship is a confined environment and you can't compare that 100% to a city, it is eliminating the estimated number of unknown cases in the population as you can't test everybody in a city. It is giving us a better estimation on infection rates.
    Take every number with a grain of salt but the current infection rate is at 4.7%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandzibar View Post
    Brighton/Hove manages to double the UK infected count.

    Just along the coast road a bit. Oh goody.
    Coronavirus has now hit Worthing then...

    Well it was nice knowing you lot (well... kind of )

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