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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximillian View Post
    Targeting most-at-risk groups was how they eliminated Small Pox. It was quickly realised that vaccinating everyone was an impossibility - I think the projections were enough people would be vaccinated by around 2025 to stop the spread at 1970s vaccination rates - so instead they focused on outbreaks and most-at-risk groups to limit the chances Small Pox had of spreading. In agricultural terms it is called ringfencing where you surround an area with a pest you are trying to control with a zone it cannot cross.

    It is also the fact that people need to modify their behaviour until at risk communities are vaccinated. If people are going to continue with behaviour that is spreading Monkey Pox then they are limiting the effectiveness of control efforts. This isn't like COVID where you can walk through the droplets left by an infected person minutes before and get infected, it requires direct personal contact.
    These are fair points but at the same time you have to remember that the small pox vaccinaction effort was monumental even besides the ring vaccinations happening. There were mandatory vaccinations in a lot of countries where outbreaks were not happening.

    Again very much agree that people need to modify their behaviour to accomodate getting this crap under control. Again, I'd like that to actually happen.

    To try and make a point - that direct personal contact - yes, hope you don't handle cash and you wash everything you buy at the supermarket thoroughly. Not to mention not touching anything in public transportation or public places. Or at work. Let me also remind you that the monkey pox virus can also be inhaled from infected airborne droplets or contracted from fomites. You know, like the small pox virus, albeit the airborne bits are still unclear in the case of MP.

    And this is why I'm trying to help you guys understand that it isn't just sexual transmission. But you do you, w/e. Yes, vaccinate with a priority for demographics at risk. I'm just keen on not having another pox pandemic because this shit sucks.

    Edit: apparently no human to human transmission has been documented until this year's outbreak. This is another red flag that this should be treated seriously and precautions be taken - washing hands as often as necessary to prevent contamination, decontaminating surfaces at work, mask when taking public transport wouldn't be a bad idea and so on. Until at least it dies down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Maximillian View Post
    Targeting most-at-risk groups was how they eliminated Small Pox. It was quickly realised that vaccinating everyone was an impossibility - I think the projections were enough people would be vaccinated by around 2025 to stop the spread at 1970s vaccination rates - so instead they focused on outbreaks and most-at-risk groups to limit the chances Small Pox had of spreading. In agricultural terms it is called ringfencing where you surround an area with a pest you are trying to control with a zone it cannot cross.

    It is also the fact that people need to modify their behaviour until at risk communities are vaccinated. If people are going to continue with behaviour that is spreading Monkey Pox then they are limiting the effectiveness of control efforts. This isn't like COVID where you can walk through the droplets left by an infected person minutes before and get infected, it requires direct personal contact.
    These are fair points but at the same time you have to remember that the small pox vaccinaction effort was monumental even besides the ring vaccinations happening. There were mandatory vaccinations in a lot of countries where outbreaks were not happening.

    Again very much agree that people need to modify their behaviour to accomodate getting this crap under control. Again, I'd like that to actually happen.

    To try and make a point - that direct personal contact - yes, hope you don't handle cash and you wash everything you buy at the supermarket thoroughly. Not to mention not touching anything in public transportation or public places. Or at work. Let me also remind you that the monkey pox virus can also be inhaled from infected airborne droplets or contracted from fomites. You know, like the small pox virus, albeit the airborne bits are still unclear in the case of MP.

    And this is why I'm trying to help you guys understand that it isn't just sexual transmission. But you do you, w/e. Yes, vaccinate with a priority for demographics at risk. I'm just keen on not having another pox pandemic because this shit sucks.

    Edit: apparently no human to human transmission has been documented until this year's outbreak. This is another red flag that this should be treated seriously and precautions be taken - washing hands as often as necessary to prevent contamination, decontaminating surfaces at work, mask when taking public transport wouldn't be a bad idea and so on. Until at least it dies down.
    Re: HIv/AIDS yes on the globe a million people die of that disease yearly still.

    NL quickly adjust the reporting from cornering it into the gay STD corner. I saw lolCNN a few hours ago and they also were reporting it the same. tbh i think 'sane' countries their reporting by now.

    Also i understood from an 'expert' on the news in NL the spread about people doing bumme sex (M/F/X) dont know they are infected, the virus filled bumpie thinks like the anal area and unless you use a mirror....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Maximillian View Post
    Targeting most-at-risk groups was how they eliminated Small Pox. It was quickly realised that vaccinating everyone was an impossibility - I think the projections were enough people would be vaccinated by around 2025 to stop the spread at 1970s vaccination rates - so instead they focused on outbreaks and most-at-risk groups to limit the chances Small Pox had of spreading. In agricultural terms it is called ringfencing where you surround an area with a pest you are trying to control with a zone it cannot cross.

    It is also the fact that people need to modify their behaviour until at risk communities are vaccinated. If people are going to continue with behaviour that is spreading Monkey Pox then they are limiting the effectiveness of control efforts. This isn't like COVID where you can walk through the droplets left by an infected person minutes before and get infected, it requires direct personal contact.
    These are fair points but at the same time you have to remember that the small pox vaccinaction effort was monumental even besides the ring vaccinations happening. There were mandatory vaccinations in a lot of countries where outbreaks were not happening.

    Again very much agree that people need to modify their behaviour to accomodate getting this crap under control. Again, I'd like that to actually happen.

    To try and make a point - that direct personal contact - yes, hope you don't handle cash and you wash everything you buy at the supermarket thoroughly. Not to mention not touching anything in public transportation or public places. Or at work. Let me also remind you that the monkey pox virus can also be inhaled from infected airborne droplets or contracted from fomites. You know, like the small pox virus, albeit the airborne bits are still unclear in the case of MP.

    And this is why I'm trying to help you guys understand that it isn't just sexual transmission. But you do you, w/e. Yes, vaccinate with a priority for demographics at risk. I'm just keen on not having another pox pandemic because this shit sucks.

    Edit: apparently no human to human transmission has been documented until this year's outbreak. This is another red flag that this should be treated seriously and precautions be taken - washing hands as often as necessary to prevent contamination, decontaminating surfaces at work, mask when taking public transport wouldn't be a bad idea and so on. Until at least it dies down.
    I do have concerns over how widespread monkeypox testing is. I went to the doctor a couple of weeks ago because of unusual viral symptoms, and I live in DC, which has a huge monkeypox outbreak. They tested me for COVID (negative) but they didn't even bother to test me for monkeypox after I told them I don't have sex with other men. Straight people could have monkeypox without it being detected because it seems no one, at least here in DC, is testing us for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by August View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximillian View Post
    Targeting most-at-risk groups was how they eliminated Small Pox. It was quickly realised that vaccinating everyone was an impossibility - I think the projections were enough people would be vaccinated by around 2025 to stop the spread at 1970s vaccination rates - so instead they focused on outbreaks and most-at-risk groups to limit the chances Small Pox had of spreading. In agricultural terms it is called ringfencing where you surround an area with a pest you are trying to control with a zone it cannot cross.

    It is also the fact that people need to modify their behaviour until at risk communities are vaccinated. If people are going to continue with behaviour that is spreading Monkey Pox then they are limiting the effectiveness of control efforts. This isn't like COVID where you can walk through the droplets left by an infected person minutes before and get infected, it requires direct personal contact.
    These are fair points but at the same time you have to remember that the small pox vaccinaction effort was monumental even besides the ring vaccinations happening. There were mandatory vaccinations in a lot of countries where outbreaks were not happening.

    Again very much agree that people need to modify their behaviour to accomodate getting this crap under control. Again, I'd like that to actually happen.

    To try and make a point - that direct personal contact - yes, hope you don't handle cash and you wash everything you buy at the supermarket thoroughly. Not to mention not touching anything in public transportation or public places. Or at work. Let me also remind you that the monkey pox virus can also be inhaled from infected airborne droplets or contracted from fomites. You know, like the small pox virus, albeit the airborne bits are still unclear in the case of MP.

    And this is why I'm trying to help you guys understand that it isn't just sexual transmission. But you do you, w/e. Yes, vaccinate with a priority for demographics at risk. I'm just keen on not having another pox pandemic because this shit sucks.

    Edit: apparently no human to human transmission has been documented until this year's outbreak. This is another red flag that this should be treated seriously and precautions be taken - washing hands as often as necessary to prevent contamination, decontaminating surfaces at work, mask when taking public transport wouldn't be a bad idea and so on. Until at least it dies down.
    I do have concerns over how widespread monkeypox testing is. I went to the doctor a couple of weeks ago because of unusual viral symptoms, and I live in DC, which has a huge monkeypox outbreak. They tested me for COVID (negative) but they didn't even bother to test me for monkeypox after I told them I don't have sex with other men. Straight people could have monkeypox without it being detected because it seems no one, at least here in DC, is testing us for it.
    in NL you can just ask for a monkey test and they have to oblige. You dont have the same?
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    First, it is ridiculed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post
    NL quickly adjust the reporting from cornering it into the gay STD corner. I saw lolCNN a few hours ago and they also were reporting it the same. tbh i think 'sane' countries their reporting by now.

    Also i understood from an 'expert' on the news in NL the spread about people doing bumme sex (M/F/X) dont know they are infected, the virus filled bumpie thinks like the anal area and unless you use a mirror....
    Props to the NL for adjusting their reporting, it is indeed the right thing to do. About "sane" countries... sigh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post
    in NL you can just ask for a monkey test and they have to oblige. You dont have the same?
    No, tests are limited so we have to be approved.

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