Pestilence or: How I Learned to Worry Constantly and Live with COVID

[Cosmin]

idk at this point the vax race doesn't even seem that important without locking the fuck down

At this point I'm so burned out after 2 years of this shit that I personally couldn't care less. Honestly, if you didn't get vaccinated by this point you are a fucking moron and you deserve to die like one. Of course N/A to people who can't get it for actual medical reasons.

i did have gotten it

and now it's probably useless thanks to omiggron

i also didn't fly to known hotspot alpine ski resorts and evade testing because im poor

Sorry mate, I didn't mean you in particular, it was a general "you" concerning the ones who didn't. I know you well enough to know you're an actually reasonable human being ><

[Nordstern]

Are those last 10% of citizens worth giving up fundamental rights?

Which fundamental rights would those be? Is it the right being trampled on, or a specific exercise of it?

[RazoR]

idk at this point the vax race doesn't even seem that important without locking the fuck down

At this point I'm so burned out after 2 years of this shit that I personally couldn't care less. Honestly, if you didn't get vaccinated by this point you are a fucking moron and you deserve to die like one. Of course N/A to people who can't get it for actual medical reasons.

i did have gotten it

and now it's probably useless thanks to omiggron

i also didn't fly to known hotspot alpine ski resorts and evade testing because im poor

Sorry mate, I didn't mean you in particular, it was a general "you" concerning the ones who didn't. I know you well enough to know you're an actually reasonable human being ><

Yes but i am steadily drifting into the "fuck everything, there's no societal consciousness anyway" group.

Subway was so packed yesterday i had to wait 20 minutes for a non-shit train. Back in 2020 we at least tried.

[Cosmin]

idk at this point the vax race doesn't even seem that important without locking the fuck down

At this point I'm so burned out after 2 years of this shit that I personally couldn't care less. Honestly, if you didn't get vaccinated by this point you are a fucking moron and you deserve to die like one. Of course N/A to people who can't get it for actual medical reasons.

i did have gotten it

and now it's probably useless thanks to omiggron

i also didn't fly to known hotspot alpine ski resorts and evade testing because im poor

Sorry mate, I didn't mean you in particular, it was a general "you" concerning the ones who didn't. I know you well enough to know you're an actually reasonable human being ><

Yes but i am steadily drifting into the "fuck everything, there's no societal consciousness anyway" group.

Subway was so packed yesterday i had to wait 20 minutes for a non-shit train. Back in 2020 we at least tried.

Yeah but vaccines are basically a good way to go about fuck everything as at least you're looking after yourself. If other people are dumb, let them be dumb. Hope you're doing well otherwise, and yeah, at least in 2020 people at least tried. Now... sigh.

[Hel OWeen]

[...] what would make it a desirable workplace?

The most important thing (according to them): "Maaah FREEDUM!"

There's really no point of a rational query into this irrational behavior. They very much behave like all the Trump disciples. It's "TEH SYSTEM" they object, unable to exactly articulate which parts of it or even providing any kind of alternative.

I would split them into 3 groups, more or less. One group are the anti government people most likely with a right wing attitude. Second ones are those who believes in crystals, pyramid, ghosts, homeopathic, you name it. In general people who believe in anthroposophical medicine. The last ones are the conspiracy theory believer, consuming social media and believing any abstruse theory they come along.

Pretty much the same lot that makes up the anti-vaxxers in Germany. Which I find interesting, because typically the second group (at least in Germany, and they were the ones starting the nonsense over here) is politically left-leaning. For some odd reason, they are now more strongly allied with the right-wing extremists than with the rest of the populace.

But trying to apply logic and reason to their actions is an undertaking in vain.

In the States, you have to be vaccinated as a child (mumps, measles, etc.) [...]

Same here (measles). It's no outright mandatory vaccination, though. The actual law states that kids need "sufficient protection". Which boils down to what we talk about COVID: recovered or vaccinated.

[erichkknaar]

[...] what would make it a desirable workplace?

The most important thing (according to them): "Maaah FREEDUM!"

There's really no point of a rational query into this irrational behavior. They very much behave like all the Trump disciples. It's "TEH SYSTEM" they object, unable to exactly articulate which parts of it or even providing any kind of alternative.

I would split them into 3 groups, more or less. One group are the anti government people most likely with a right wing attitude. Second ones are those who believes in crystals, pyramid, ghosts, homeopathic, you name it. In general people who believe in anthroposophical medicine. The last ones are the conspiracy theory believer, consuming social media and believing any abstruse theory they come along.

Pretty much the same lot that makes up the anti-vaxxers in Germany. Which I find interesting, because typically the second group (at least in Germany, and they were the ones starting the nonsense over here) is politically left-leaning. For some odd reason, they are now more strongly allied with the right-wing extremists than with the rest of the populace.

But trying to apply logic and reason to their actions is an undertaking in vain.

In the States, you have to be vaccinated as a child (mumps, measles, etc.) [...]

Same here (measles). It's no outright mandatory vaccination, though. The actual law states that kids need "sufficient protection". Which boils down to what we talk about COVI recovered or vaccinated.

U-bend theory: The extreme left and right are basically the same with different things to hate.

[Joe Appleby]

[...] what would make it a desirable workplace?

The most important thing (according to them): "Maaah FREEDUM!"

There's really no point of a rational query into this irrational behavior. They very much behave like all the Trump disciples. It's "TEH SYSTEM" they object, unable to exactly articulate which parts of it or even providing any kind of alternative.

I would split them into 3 groups, more or less. One group are the anti government people most likely with a right wing attitude. Second ones are those who believes in crystals, pyramid, ghosts, homeopathic, you name it. In general people who believe in anthroposophical medicine. The last ones are the conspiracy theory believer, consuming social media and believing any abstruse theory they come along.

Pretty much the same lot that makes up the anti-vaxxers in Germany. Which I find interesting, because typically the second group (at least in Germany, and they were the ones starting the nonsense over here) is politically left-leaning. For some odd reason, they are now more strongly allied with the right-wing extremists than with the rest of the populace.

But trying to apply logic and reason to their actions is an undertaking in vain.

In the States, you have to be vaccinated as a child (mumps, measles, etc.) [...]

Same here (measles). It's no outright mandatory vaccination, though. The actual law states that kids need "sufficient protection". Which boils down to what we talk about COVI recovered or vaccinated.

The school thing is a vaccination mandate. Not vaccinated against mumps, measles? No school for you. We had to check vaccination passes.

Esoteric stuff has been a right wing thing in Germany since the Nazis. Remember the SS? Himmler was the OG Esoteric.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rechts...s_und_Esoterik

[Sacul]

Zee German ladies and gentleman!


If you are anti-vaxx you are literally a Nazi

Shame on you Joe, should know better than that.

[NoirAvlaa]

Zee German ladies and gentleman!


If you are anti-vaxx you are literally a Nazi

Shame on you Joe, should know better than that.

[Stoffl]

Zee German ladies and gentleman!


If you are anti-vaxx you are literally a Nazi

Shame on you Joe, should know better than that.

[Lallante]

IT's Sacul, it's not bait, he is slowly turning into a cross between Joe Brogan and Milo Y

[Nordstern]

IT's Sacul, it's not bait, he is slowly turning into a cross between Joe Brogan and Milo Y

Nah, he's just filling the gap left by the departure of Meester and Lark.

[rufuske]

IT's Sacul, it's not bait, he is slowly turning into a cross between Joe Brogan and Milo Y

Nah, he's just filling the gap left by the departure of Meester and Lark.

Nature hates vacuum and, uhm, finds a way.

[Sacul]

Wut? did Joe not just say anti-vaxxers are being 'esoteric' (i read that also as holistic) and then saying the Nazi's were esoteric?

If no I misunderstood and apologize.

[Joe Appleby]

Wut? did Joe not just say anti-vaxxers are being 'esoteric' (i read that also as holistic) and then saying the Nazi's were esoteric?

If no I misunderstood and apologize.

Hel was wondering when esoteric ideas became right wing because he thought believing in energy fields was a lefty/hippy/öko thing. I pointed out that esoteric ideas where something even original Nazis were into and how that isn't new or surprising.

EDIT: however, being anti-vax and being right wing are an overlapping demographic in Germany.
See here: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...mitism/618777/

Everything about this guy is hilarious, scary how deluded he is, but also hilarious:
https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-bans-ra...ann/a-54299794

[Sacul]

Wut? did Joe not just say anti-vaxxers are being 'esoteric' (i read that also as holistic) and then saying the Nazi's were esoteric?

If no I misunderstood and apologize.

Hel was wondering when esoteric ideas became right wing because he thought believing in energy fields was a lefty/hippy/öko thing. I pointed out that esoteric ideas where something even original Nazis were into and how that isn't new or surprising.

Then i got it completely wrong and apologize.

[Lief Siddhe]

"This the first time we've had to use the centre for large numbers of people from an Aboriginal community, but it probably won't be the last time," he said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-...rwin/100663994

[Maximillian]

Aboriginal communities are a challenge when it comes to stopping COVID.

First the Aboriginal communities do not trust Government and they have good historical reasons not too.

Second they are highly mobile and used to moving among kinship groups spread across remote towns and in the cities. Funerals are culturally important and have been super spreader events.

Third the remoteness of some communities have made it difficult to get appropriate medical services into communities which are badly served by medicine normally.

Also bullshit spread online in Aboriginal languages has more traction than Government messages in English.

A lack of hosuing means many people across multiple generations live in the same house - often 20 or more people - which aids COVID's spread and makes isolation near impossible.

State border closures were protecting the remote Aboriginal population until recently, but that bred complacency in regards to getting vaccinated.

So you have a socio-economically disadvantaged group living in remote areas with poor health services, language issues and a mistrust of Government, who live in crowded conditions and are highly mobile.

That is why they are being put into mobile homes and Howard Springs quarantine facility.

[Arkaday]

How are the early reports of omicron not being too deadly looking? Premature? Overly hopeful?

Um, see theres a thing about that. The data is still rough but it is not looking too great. There are a lot of people talking about "mild" COVID without really thinking about it and well, lol.

Also as a serious thing I was running some numbers and apparently my state had ~14% excess deaths last year. Seems really weird.

[evil edna]

Put the abbos in camps for their own good? Sounds fine to erich