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    and this is why we are fucked

    everybody gotta fly somewhere, airlines gotta make money too

    100 years ago you had to take a ship across the planet, now it's a plane 30 times faster
    Except 100 years ago you wouldn't have working vaccines and more on the way and this shit would keep flaring up again for the next century or so.
    yes thanks to vaccines everything is fine and we aren't in a 37th wave with 46th strain lmao
    Spoken like someone (who like me) lives in this day and age. It used to be much worse.

    Europe lost between 30 and 60% of its population to the black death, back in the day. The 2005 estimate of mortality of the Spanish flu is 3% (world wide).

    It's not fine now by any means. But the data shows clearly that in the countries that were lucky / rich enough to vaccinate, a lot of deaths have been prevented. (Mind you, if the current shenanigans keep up we'll lose people to other diseases because the IC beds are occupied by covid-patients. Yes, most of those are unvaccinated.)
    I am saying we could handle this much better. Sure, chinese welded people shut for quarantine but look where it got them.
    Instead the first world is pussyfooting around lamenting over the economy that is bound to crash anyway.


    EG my current CEO is a tarded boomer that doesn't understand we can WFH like 90% of the office and not lose productivity (if there is any ayyyylmao) because the gumverbent doesn't flat out order companies to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
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    and this is why we are fucked

    everybody gotta fly somewhere, airlines gotta make money too

    100 years ago you had to take a ship across the planet, now it's a plane 30 times faster
    Except 100 years ago you wouldn't have working vaccines and more on the way and this shit would keep flaring up again for the next century or so.
    He's sorta right about people thinking they need to fly somewhere. We've seen the lockdowns for the schools, bars+restaurants, even outdoor spaces like parks, basically anything that isn't an essential workplace so people's lives are expected to be just a pod existence of working and then going straight home.

    Yet we can't do without the god damn vacations and business meetings....even temporarily to slow variant spread? It's such a minor ask compared to shutting down all social activites for months at a time, yet we won't do it. Hm, wonder why

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    I am saying we could handle this much better. Sure, chinese welded people shut for quarantine but look where it got them.
    Instead the first world is pussyfooting around lamenting over the economy that is bound to crash anyway.


    EG my current CEO is a tarded boomer that doesn't understand we can WFH like 90% of the office and not lose productivity (if there is any ayyyylmao) because the gumverbent doesn't flat out order companies to do so.
    Oh yeh. People are being people. Boggles the mind.

    PS Those 61 people who tested positive for covid on those 2 flights from Johannesburg? I'm convinced that's not exactly the exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
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    and this is why we are fucked

    everybody gotta fly somewhere, airlines gotta make money too

    100 years ago you had to take a ship across the planet, now it's a plane 30 times faster
    Except 100 years ago you wouldn't have working vaccines and more on the way and this shit would keep flaring up again for the next century or so.
    He's sorta right about people thinking they need to fly somewhere. We've seen the lockdowns for the schools, bars+restaurants, even outdoor spaces like parks, basically anything that isn't an essential workplace so people's lives are expected to be just a pod existence of working and then going straight home.

    Yet we can't do without the god damn vacations and business meetings....even temporarily to slow variant spread? It's such a minor ask compared to shutting down all social activites for months at a time, yet we won't do it. Hm, wonder why
    It's funny because the US based airlines would have been absolutely fine if they hadn't spent the last 5ish years putting all their surplus profit into buying their own stock instead of doing something REALLY crazy like investing in their businesses


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradox View Post
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    and this is why we are fucked

    everybody gotta fly somewhere, airlines gotta make money too

    100 years ago you had to take a ship across the planet, now it's a plane 30 times faster
    Except 100 years ago you wouldn't have working vaccines and more on the way and this shit would keep flaring up again for the next century or so.
    He's sorta right about people thinking they need to fly somewhere. We've seen the lockdowns for the schools, bars+restaurants, even outdoor spaces like parks, basically anything that isn't an essential workplace so people's lives are expected to be just a pod existence of working and then going straight home.

    Yet we can't do without the god damn vacations and business meetings....even temporarily to slow variant spread? It's such a minor ask compared to shutting down all social activites for months at a time, yet we won't do it. Hm, wonder why
    It's funny because the US based airlines would have been absolutely fine if they hadn't spent the last 5ish years putting all their surplus profit into buying their own stock instead of doing something REALLY crazy like investing in their businesses
    Yeah but that wouldn't be efficient

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    Quote Originally Posted by indi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    I am saying we could handle this much better. Sure, chinese welded people shut for quarantine but look where it got them.
    Instead the first world is pussyfooting around lamenting over the economy that is bound to crash anyway.


    EG my current CEO is a tarded boomer that doesn't understand we can WFH like 90% of the office and not lose productivity (if there is any ayyyylmao) because the gumverbent doesn't flat out order companies to do so.
    Oh yeh. People are being people. Boggles the mind.

    PS Those 61 people who tested positive for covid on those 2 flights from Johannesburg? I'm convinced that's not exactly the exception.
    owww this story gets better. Out of 601 just half were Dutch and got offered a voluntary pcr test, 180 refused and just went home. The other 300 are not even counted if they took a test or not. lololololololololololol

    This was just on the news. Its like they WANT a code black in all hospital holy shit.
    There was also no protocol in place for a new quarantine plane, took them 12 hours to test all who wanted with 3 yes 3! healthcare workers (all those people were also in the same room for that time). So far 13 omicron cases.

    When does this shit become criminal neglect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
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    and this is why we are fucked

    everybody gotta fly somewhere, airlines gotta make money too

    100 years ago you had to take a ship across the planet, now it's a plane 30 times faster
    Except 100 years ago you wouldn't have working vaccines and more on the way and this shit would keep flaring up again for the next century or so.
    yes thanks to vaccines everything is fine and we aren't in a 37th wave with 46th strain lmao
    Spoken like someone (who like me) lives in this day and age. It used to be much worse.

    Europe lost between 30 and 60% of its population to the black death, back in the day. The 2005 estimate of mortality of the Spanish flu is 3% (world wide).

    It's not fine now by any means. But the data shows clearly that in the countries that were lucky / rich enough to vaccinate, a lot of deaths have been prevented. (Mind you, if the current shenanigans keep up we'll lose people to other diseases because the IC beds are occupied by covid-patients. Yes, most of those are unvaccinated.)
    I am saying we could handle this much better. Sure, chinese welded people shut for quarantine but look where it got them.
    Instead the first world is pussyfooting around lamenting over the economy that is bound to crash anyway.


    EG my current CEO is a tarded boomer that doesn't understand we can WFH like 90% of the office and not lose productivity (if there is any ayyyylmao) because the gumverbent doesn't flat out order companies to do so.
    Double post, shit internet, see below
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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
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    and this is why we are fucked

    everybody gotta fly somewhere, airlines gotta make money too

    100 years ago you had to take a ship across the planet, now it's a plane 30 times faster
    Except 100 years ago you wouldn't have working vaccines and more on the way and this shit would keep flaring up again for the next century or so.
    yes thanks to vaccines everything is fine and we aren't in a 37th wave with 46th strain lmao
    Spoken like someone (who like me) lives in this day and age. It used to be much worse.

    Europe lost between 30 and 60% of its population to the black death, back in the day. The 2005 estimate of mortality of the Spanish flu is 3% (world wide).

    It's not fine now by any means. But the data shows clearly that in the countries that were lucky / rich enough to vaccinate, a lot of deaths have been prevented. (Mind you, if the current shenanigans keep up we'll lose people to other diseases because the IC beds are occupied by covid-patients. Yes, most of those are unvaccinated.)
    I am saying we could handle this much better. Sure, chinese welded people shut for quarantine but look where it got them.
    Instead the first world is pussyfooting around lamenting over the economy that is bound to crash anyway.


    EG my current CEO is a tarded boomer that doesn't understand we can WFH like 90% of the office and not lose productivity (if there is any ayyyylmao) because the gumverbent doesn't flat out order companies to do so.
    Just to add on to your welded point; they only welded in the shitheads that wouldn't stay the fuck home. And still dropped them food.

    My favorite is how "China's hiding death numbers!"

    "So how come our vaunted three letter agencies haven't found anything? I remember mourge trucks in several cities and open grave in other countries and well NYC."

    whatever

    Dogshit "well he ain't Bush" perspective here that has been broken for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jori McKie View Post
    Yes, i'm fucking angry. Then i read the news about that new variant from south africa and this one might, again might be the one (escape variant, means vaccines aren't working on it). So far 24 serious mutations and especially lots of them on the spike protein. Spreading potential 30-50% faster than Delta... Hallelujah
    Another concerning attribute of the Omicron variation is the fact that it mutates way faster than the previous ones:



    Source: https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/th...uation?r=2pxij

    Add to that the fact that it seem to have arrived in lots of places in Europe already ... yeeaah...

    On a positive side note: I watched a short interview a German immunologist (I think...or epidemiologist, something like that) and he praised SA for how quickly they reacted and make all information public.

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    It is far from established fact that Omicron mutates faster. This particular variant was a large jump, but is suspected to have been cultivated in an immune-compromised individual. The evidence that it will continue to mutate at this rate is currently inconclusive.

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    Has it mutated faster or have they just discovered a bunch of mutations in a shorter period of time? I'm not a virologist but in medicine there are lots of metrics used to measure rate of change which quite often end up being misleading (but still diagnostically useful) due to incomplete data across the whole timeframe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by indi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    I am saying we could handle this much better. Sure, chinese welded people shut for quarantine but look where it got them.
    Instead the first world is pussyfooting around lamenting over the economy that is bound to crash anyway.


    EG my current CEO is a tarded boomer that doesn't understand we can WFH like 90% of the office and not lose productivity (if there is any ayyyylmao) because the gumverbent doesn't flat out order companies to do so.
    Oh yeh. People are being people. Boggles the mind.

    PS Those 61 people who tested positive for covid on those 2 flights from Johannesburg? I'm convinced that's not exactly the exception.
    owww this story gets better. Out of 601 just half were Dutch and got offered a voluntary pcr test, 180 refused and just went home. The other 300 are not even counted if they took a test or not. lololololololololololol

    This was just on the news. Its like they WANT a code black in all hospital holy shit.
    There was also no protocol in place for a new quarantine plane, took them 12 hours to test all who wanted with 3 yes 3! healthcare workers (all those people were also in the same room for that time). So far 13 omicron cases.

    When does this shit become criminal neglect?
    My day would have been better had I not read that. Am I entirely surprised? No.

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    Oof, trying to match the UK government for covid incompetence there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Has it mutated faster or have they just discovered a bunch of mutations in a shorter period of time? I'm not a virologist but in medicine there are lots of metrics used to measure rate of change which quite often end up being misleading (but still diagnostically useful) due to incomplete data across the whole timeframe.
    The article I linked above took that graphic from this Twitter thread, which is quite long and waaay over my head, but appears to explain it:


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    Pfizer/Biontech started making a adjustment to the vaccine so it will include Omicron. ETA 2 weeks in the most positive scenario.

    Just saying it in laymen terms as the technical details are waaaaay over my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post
    Pfizer/Biontech started making a adjustment to the vaccine so it will include Omicron. ETA 2 weeks in the most positive scenario.

    Just saying it in laymen terms as the technical details are waaaaay over my head.
    and how many weeks, if not months, until this new version is actually going to get delivered?

    for the vast majority, that's 6 months to never. remember all the shenanigans over initial vaccine deliveries ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post
    Pfizer/Biontech started making a adjustment to the vaccine so it will include Omicron. ETA 2 weeks in the most positive scenario.

    Just saying it in laymen terms as the technical details are waaaaay over my head.
    and how many weeks, if not months, until this new version is actually going to get delivered?

    for the vast majority, that's 6 months to never. remember all the shenanigans over initial vaccine deliveries ?
    Was that not a production and delivery problem? I remember a big factory in Belgium had major problems and initial vaccine needed to be cooled at non standard temperatures, both those issues are remedied.

    Not saying there wont be new issues tho so i get what you are saying and all.

    e. also issues with vaccine ampule to shots dividing something
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    And you have to remember that the covid vaccine was the first ever mRNA vaccine, pretty much all of the production capability had to be created and ramped up during this crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    and how many weeks, if not months, until this new version is actually going to get delivered?

    for the vast majority, that's 6 months to never. remember all the shenanigans over initial vaccine deliveries ?
    That was mostly AZ. Apart from some relatively minor initial start-up problems Pfizer/BioNTech has always over-delivered IIRC.

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    I am saying we could handle this much better. Sure, chinese welded people shut for quarantine but look where it got them.
    Instead the first world is pussyfooting around lamenting over the economy that is bound to crash anyway.


    EG my current CEO is a tarded boomer that doesn't understand we can WFH like 90% of the office and not lose productivity (if there is any ayyyylmao) because the gumverbent doesn't flat out order companies to do so.
    Oh yeh. People are being people. Boggles the mind.

    PS Those 61 people who tested positive for covid on those 2 flights from Johannesburg? I'm convinced that's not exactly the exception.
    owww this story gets better. Out of 601 just half were Dutch and got offered a voluntary pcr test, 180 refused and just went home. The other 300 are not even counted if they took a test or not. lololololololololololol

    This was just on the news. Its like they WANT a code black in all hospital holy shit.
    There was also no protocol in place for a new quarantine plane, took them 12 hours to test all who wanted with 3 yes 3! healthcare workers (all those people were also in the same room for that time). So far 13 omicron cases.

    When does this shit become criminal neglect?
    According to Swedish passengers from one of the flights, they kept everyone in the same closed space for 12h and people who had tested positive were just walking around the group bemoaning their fate and swearing at the officials. Said Swedish passengers then got on their connection to Stockholm, so I guess we should have it here in time for Christmas.

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