
Originally Posted by
erichkknaar

Originally Posted by
Sacul
For example face mask is at 13% solid effective
What does this mean? 13% less aerosolized particles? (how is it being measured), 13% less viral load (how is it being measured?), or 13% less people getting COVID (how is this being measured? Who are the unlucky fuckers who got told to come to work as the control group without masks?).
I'd be asking whomever is providing you this number for methodology notes, and proof of measurement and controls, or I'd suspect them of pulling it out of their ass.
The use of face masks has been demonstrated to significantly reduce transmission of Covid-19 - if memory serves, more so than social distancing. The CDC has
a nice overview of different research papers and methods used. I don't see 13% anywhere in there, generally the percentage (prevention of spread) seems higher.
By now we have also had several meta analyses of the efficiency in prevention of covid spread of other measures, like hand washing and social distancing. This one
gives a nice overview, including the risk of bias and heterogenity of the studies used.
Lockdowns can be used, broadly speaking, for two strategies. The first is eradication, the other is flattening the curve (there it is again). Eradication seems to have generally worked for NZ, but I think we can safely say the rest of the world has long come to terms with the fact that there's no eradicating this stuff in our countries. Funnily enough, that meta analysis I linked last also has numbers for the efficiency of lockdowns. Guess what - it actually does really work to bring down transmission. I can't think of any other reason for the development in our own numbers - government imposes measures ("non essential shops and gyms close at 5 PM") and two weeks later the exponential growth comes to an end and, amazingly enough, the R rate drops under 1. I'm not sure how you can possibly say the effects of the various lockdowns have been minimal. They have not been minimal, they flattened the curve. Our country was close to the hospital system collapsing more than once. My brother in law is a physician (of the kind that works in hospitals). Next to seeing it in the news, I've heard firsthand.
As for the economy, strangely enough we're already ahead of where we were pre-covid. We're actually in danger of overheating.
None of this means I'm blind to the disaster it has been for many people (domestic violence, mental health). But you know, sometimes there's no such thing as the one choice that's just great for everyone. This has really, really sucked. Despite the many things that did and do go well.
PS Just to be abundantly clear. The healthcare system was obviously not geared for a pandemic. It still isn't. It will take us many years to build it up to a level that we'd need for a situation like this one. We'll also have to be willing to pay a lot more for healthcare than we do now as a society. These are consequences of choices we made as a country. If you ask me, this needs fixing. Oh, and vision. Lastly, I'm certainly not denying that these almost-two-years have been really rough on many people. I'm also not saying I don't care about that - I do.
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