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    Quote Originally Posted by Idara View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    US faces monkey shortage for COVID-19 research

    https://www.livescience.com/monkey-s...-research.html
    I'm sure the market will find new test subjects.

    Maybe some poors who need extra cash to pay for rent.

    Or just use the Mexicans they detain at the border.
    you jest, but America has, historically, done both.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
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    https://www.inquirer.com/business/dr...-20200828.html

    Oxford University surprised and pleased advocates of overhauling the vaccine business in April by promising to donate the rights to its promising coronavirus vaccine to any drugmaker.

    The idea was to provide medicines preventing or treating COVID-19 at a low cost or free of charge, the British university said. That made sense to people seeking change. The coronavirus was raging. Many agreed that traditional vaccine development, characterized by long lead times, manufacturing monopolies, and weak investment, was broken.

    "We actually thought they were going to do that," James Love, director of Knowledge Ecology International, a nonprofit that works to expand access to medical technology, said of Oxford's pledge. "Why wouldn't people agree to let everyone have access to the best vaccines possible?"

    A few weeks later, Oxford urged on by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation reversed course. It signed an exclusive vaccine deal with AstraZeneca that gave the pharmaceutical giant sole rights and no guarantee of low prices with the less-publicized potential for Oxford to eventually make millions from the deal and win plenty of prestige.
    Anyone who still praises le epic Bill Gates charity is a fucking rube
    Perfect opportunity for outraage if it wasnt bullshit...
    AstraZeneca has already stated it will sell the vaccine at cost which is why it also got a deal with the EU to split any potential liability claims 50/50 with the EU.

    You cant have it cheaper then "at Cost" price point.
    dont care, the rights should be available to everyone if its successful
    Why?
    They should licence it but why should they give it for free? At cost is imo ok.


    

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeekar View Post
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    https://www.inquirer.com/business/dr...-20200828.html

    Oxford University surprised and pleased advocates of overhauling the vaccine business in April by promising to donate the rights to its promising coronavirus vaccine to any drugmaker.

    The idea was to provide medicines preventing or treating COVID-19 at a low cost or free of charge, the British university said. That made sense to people seeking change. The coronavirus was raging. Many agreed that traditional vaccine development, characterized by long lead times, manufacturing monopolies, and weak investment, was broken.

    "We actually thought they were going to do that," James Love, director of Knowledge Ecology International, a nonprofit that works to expand access to medical technology, said of Oxford's pledge. "Why wouldn't people agree to let everyone have access to the best vaccines possible?"

    A few weeks later, Oxford — urged on by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation — reversed course. It signed an exclusive vaccine deal with AstraZeneca that gave the pharmaceutical giant sole rights and no guarantee of low prices — with the less-publicized potential for Oxford to eventually make millions from the deal and win plenty of prestige.
    Anyone who still praises le epic Bill Gates charity is a fucking rube
    Perfect opportunity for outraage if it wasnt bullshit...
    AstraZeneca has already stated it will sell the vaccine at cost which is why it also got a deal with the EU to split any potential liability claims 50/50 with the EU.

    You cant have it cheaper then "at Cost" price point.
    dont care, the rights should be available to everyone if its successful
    Why?
    They should licence it but why should they give it for free? At cost is imo ok.
    some people don't think health care should be organized around maximizing profit?

    Big shock, the costs saved in externalities from healthy population far outweigh the actual costs of providing free medicine. Society wins.


    BUT WHAT ABOUT PRIVATE PROFITEERING OFF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC! have we really considered the effect on shareholders!

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    Do you understand what at cost means?


    

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    yes.

    do you understand my point or just gonna be an autist?

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    he just wants to be an autist

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    The most promising vaccines are being developed by universities, and with a massive pile of public money (the US govt alone has shoveled in 10 billion last I checked)

    If you understand this, there is no reasonable assessment of the cost that goes in the pharma company's favor

    They aren't the ones who developed it. they manufacture drugs and monopolize the rights. That's not the same as developing the vaccine, and that's why it should be available to everyone.
    Last edited by mewninn; September 2 2020 at 01:56:31 PM.

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    The IP should then be in gov possession i agree. The production cost should still be paid.
    Expecting the gov to give the ip to everyone in the world for free is optimistic imo even if it's the right thing to do.


    

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeekar View Post
    The IP should then be in gov possession i agree. The production cost should still be paid.
    Expecting the gov to give the ip to everyone in the world for free is optimistic imo even if it's the right thing to do.
    With all due respect mim8 thats just brain washing. It has been done with other cures like polio.

    You can also rabble rabble about Gates but his first anti- campaign was against malaria, free for all if successful.
    Schopenhauer:

    All truth passes through three stages.
    First, it is ridiculed.
    Second, it is violently opposed.
    Third, it is accepted as being self-evident..

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    Impatient for a coronavirus vaccine, dozens of scientists around the world [actually mainly in the US] are giving themselves — and sometimes, friends and family — their own unproven versions.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/01/s...ccine-diy.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
    Impatient for a coronavirus vaccine, dozens of scientists around the world [actually mainly in the US] are giving themselves and sometimes, friends and family their own unproven versions.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/01/s...ccine-diy.html
    This is how you get Zombie apocalypses!

    /Archer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeekar View Post
    The IP should then be in gov possession i agree. The production cost should still be paid.
    Expecting the gov to give the ip to everyone in the world for free is optimistic imo even if it's the right thing to do.
    With all due respect mim8 thats just brain washing. It has been done with other cures like polio.

    You can also rabble rabble about Gates but his first anti- campaign was against malaria, free for all if successful.
    Everyone ignores it but he also eradicated Polio in India free of charge, they're Polio free since 2014. Ofc facebook smear campaign followed because why do you administer 2.5 billion vaccines, when big pharma could have charged for it.

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    He footed the bill didnt he? In the end someone has to pay for it.


    

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeekar View Post
    He footed the bill didnt he? In the end someone has to pay for it.
    Yup, out of his own pocket (via foundation). That's why there's a full blown smear campaign runing against him regarding vaccines. He makes Bezos and Elon look bad and doesn't like Trump. Fucking communist.

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    Patting rich's back for giving back a tiny amount in charity of what he owes the society in taxes is cute. Charity is just virtrue signalling for the rich and powerful.

    You lot need to finally understand that part of the reason why India needed those vaccines in the first place is because people like him own the half of the fucking world.

    If I start a forest fire, then put out a single tree will I get cred for being a good person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venec View Post
    Patting rich's back for giving back a tiny amount in charity of what he owes the society in taxes is cute. Charity is just virtrue signalling for the rich and powerful.

    You lot need to finally understand that part of the reason why India needed those vaccines in the first place is because people like him own the half of the fucking world.

    If I start a forest fire, then put out a single tree will I get cred for being a good person?
    That is all true, but you must realize that for many people in the alternative-truth bubble, Bill Gates is one of the most hated people on the planet, because of the work of his foundation. We're not patting him on the back, so much as wondering what fuels this level of hatred.

    Note that the alternative-truth bubble is very big and, weirdly, most people seem to believe the same few alternative truths (e.g. Covid is just like flu, Bill Gates = The Devil, the White hats in Syria are the real terrorists etc).

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    Alright, I'll go be angry somewhere else then.

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    Yeah fuck Bill Gates, it shouldn't be remarkable that someone who was a piece of shit gives some of his money back to the populace. Better than Bezos, but I don't recall him lobbying the population to not let wealth like his wxist in the first place. People are still enslaved or starving in his own country, problems like that don't exist to such an extent in the richest (for a little while longer at least) country on Earth if you have no billioniares. I suppose take it from him last if he's so nice about giving away pennies from his hoard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
    Yeah fuck Bill Gates, it shouldn't be remarkable that someone who was a piece of shit gives some of his money back to the populace. Better than Bezos, but I don't recall him lobbying the population to not let wealth like his wxist in the first place. People are still enslaved or starving in his own country, problems like that don't exist to such an extent in the richest (for a little while longer at least) country on Earth if you have no billioniares. I suppose take it from him last if he's so nice about giving away pennies from his hoard.
    It is amazing how Warren Buffett is always excluded from these types of discussions/comparisons, since all he ever did was effectively get rich being a merchant moving capital around, instead of actually employing people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ego Proxy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
    Yeah fuck Bill Gates, it shouldn't be remarkable that someone who was a piece of shit gives some of his money back to the populace. Better than Bezos, but I don't recall him lobbying the population to not let wealth like his wxist in the first place. People are still enslaved or starving in his own country, problems like that don't exist to such an extent in the richest (for a little while longer at least) country on Earth if you have no billioniares. I suppose take it from him last if he's so nice about giving away pennies from his hoard.
    It is amazing how Warren Buffett is always excluded from these types of discussions/comparisons, since all he ever did was effectively get rich being a merchant moving capital around, instead of actually employing people.
    Why does that matter? The premise has always been that no one should have that kind of wealth.

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