Just been microchipped today chaps. The AZ jab seems to be doing the rounds in my area. Quite a few people I know have been knocked for six by it for a day or two (which isn't unexpected).
Just been microchipped today chaps. The AZ jab seems to be doing the rounds in my area. Quite a few people I know have been knocked for six by it for a day or two (which isn't unexpected).
Yeah if anyone thinks this is the worst a lab could of released they should brace themselves. It's barely the worst nature could of released. Lief turn that question back around on yourself as well, why the eagerness (at least apparently) to see this part of it through when it's likely you'll never know but everyone with some idea of it and people practiced in it say it's natural and there are bound to be worse pandemics as things continue?Originally Posted by depili
IIRC there was one case in Russia where it was strongly suspected that some biological weapons research leaked into the neighborhood. But the beer virus is far from a bioweapon.
Quick google searchIIRC there was one case in Russia where it was strongly suspected that some biological weapons research leaked into the neighborhood. But the beer virus is far from a bioweapon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ry_biosecurity
Schopenhauer:
All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident..
Yeah, I had it a couple of weeks ago and I felt achy and tired the next day. Fine the day after though. And no blood clots yet.
I am pretty sure that the Chinese have found coronavirus victims that pre-date the wuhan wet market outbreak. The market outbreak started in mid-late December 2019 but China reported deaths as early as November 17th 2019 (*) of people unconnected to the wet market. Studying mutation rates suggests it jumped to humans sometime in October or November 2019.
(*) With the obvious caveat that any data coming out of China is suspect.
https://www.livescience.com/first-ca...rus-found.html
The Wuhan market was (almost certainly) the first publicized superspreader event rather than the actual origin.
Is this all based on this article you linked or are there better sources?I am pretty sure that the Chinese have found coronavirus victims that pre-date the wuhan wet market outbreak. The market outbreak started in mid-late December 2019 but China reported deaths as early as November 17th 2019 (*) of people unconnected to the wet market. Studying mutation rates suggests it jumped to humans sometime in October or November 2019.
(*) With the obvious caveat that any data coming out of China is suspect.
https://www.livescience.com/first-ca...rus-found.html
The Wuhan market was (almost certainly) the first publicized superspreader event rather than the actual origin.
Edit: Obviously the bit where this market was the place of a super-spreader event is entirely possible. Learning about confirmed earlier covid deaths would be more interesting.
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From WHO's report on origins of virus from 2020:
Subsequent investigations into the first human cases have determined that they had onset of symptoms around 1 December 2019.
However, these cases had no direct link to the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market and they may therefore have been infected in
November through contact with earlier undetected cases (incubation time between date of exposure and date of symptom onset can
be up to 14 days). Additional studies are ongoing to as whether unrecognized infections in humans may have happened as early as
mid-November 2019.
From:
https://www.who.int/health-topics/co...s-of-the-virus
https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/...2020.1-eng.pdf
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I was somewhere around Old Man Star, on the edge of Essence, when drugs began to take hold.
Great, thanks
Well there were multiple western media sources back in March 202 that wrote about it but they may well have based their stories on the same South China Morning Post article linked in the livescience piece.Is this all based on this article you linked or are there better sources?I am pretty sure that the Chinese have found coronavirus victims that pre-date the wuhan wet market outbreak. The market outbreak started in mid-late December 2019 but China reported deaths as early as November 17th 2019 (*) of people unconnected to the wet market. Studying mutation rates suggests it jumped to humans sometime in October or November 2019.
(*) With the obvious caveat that any data coming out of China is suspect.
https://www.livescience.com/first-ca...rus-found.html
The Wuhan market was (almost certainly) the first publicized superspreader event rather than the actual origin.
Edit: Obviously the bit where this market was the place of a super-spreader event is entirely possible. Learning about confirmed earlier covid deaths would be more interesting.
But there's been a new round of stories...
Here's the Wall Street Journal from Feb 9 2021:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-1...ts-11613730600
Paywalled after the first couple of paragraphs.
Business Insider Feb 10, 2021:
https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...tbreak-2020-12
Probably not from that market then and certainly not at the time I thought it had happened. Thanks Nax!
Reeeeee (my bold).Yeah if anyone thinks this is the worst a lab could of released they should brace themselves. It's barely the worst nature could of released. Lief turn that question back around on yourself as well, why the eagerness (at least apparently) to see this part of it through when it's likely you'll never know but everyone with some idea of it and people practiced in it say it's natural and there are bound to be worse pandemics as things continue?IIRC there was one case in Russia where it was strongly suspected that some biological weapons research leaked into the neighborhood. But the beer virus is far from a bioweapon.
Playing devil's advocate... if it were a bioweapon COVID-19 has been quite good, if not perfect, for China's growth. They don't have huge numbers of boomers with co-morbidities, they have the authoritarian infrastructure in place to enforce lockdowns which the public will comply with and a growing middle/business class who are travelling all over the place exporting it.
If it was a bio weapon I would expect it would have done a better job at wiping out the boomers.
Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.
If it were a bio weapon they would already have a vaccine ready to go and they would have made sure the virus itself was stable as to avoid mutations.Reeeeee (my bold).Yeah if anyone thinks this is the worst a lab could of released they should brace themselves. It's barely the worst nature could of released. Lief turn that question back around on yourself as well, why the eagerness (at least apparently) to see this part of it through when it's likely you'll never know but everyone with some idea of it and people practiced in it say it's natural and there are bound to be worse pandemics as things continue?IIRC there was one case in Russia where it was strongly suspected that some biological weapons research leaked into the neighborhood. But the beer virus is far from a bioweapon.
Playing devil's advocate... if it were a bioweapon COVID-19 has been quite good, if not perfect, for China's growth. They don't have huge numbers of boomers with co-morbidities, they have the authoritarian infrastructure in place to enforce lockdowns which the public will comply with and a growing middle/business class who are travelling all over the place exporting it.
Just playing devils advocate on your advocate.
WHO calls for further studies, data on origin of SARS-CoV-2 virus, reiterates that all hypotheses remain open
“As far as WHO is concerned, all hypotheses remain on the table. This report is a very important beginning, but it is not the end. We have not yet found the source of the virus, and we must continue to follow the science and leave no stone unturned as we do,” said Dr Tedros. “Finding the origin of a virus takes time and we owe it to the world to find the source so we can collectively take steps to reduce the risk of this happening again. No single research trip can provide all the answers.”
https://www.who.int/news/item/30-03-...es-remain-open
I was somewhere around Old Man Star, on the edge of Essence, when drugs began to take hold.
That would be sus as fuck on both counts and you know it.If it were a bio weapon they would already have a vaccine ready to go and they would have made sure the virus itself was stable as to avoid mutations.Reeeeee (my bold).Yeah if anyone thinks this is the worst a lab could of released they should brace themselves. It's barely the worst nature could of released. Lief turn that question back around on yourself as well, why the eagerness (at least apparently) to see this part of it through when it's likely you'll never know but everyone with some idea of it and people practiced in it say it's natural and there are bound to be worse pandemics as things continue?IIRC there was one case in Russia where it was strongly suspected that some biological weapons research leaked into the neighborhood. But the beer virus is far from a bioweapon.
Playing devil's advocate... if it were a bioweapon COVID-19 has been quite good, if not perfect, for China's growth. They don't have huge numbers of boomers with co-morbidities, they have the authoritarian infrastructure in place to enforce lockdowns which the public will comply with and a growing middle/business class who are travelling all over the place exporting it.
Just playing devils advocate on your advocate.
Release from a lab accidentally with virus' being fucked with for research is plausible. Bioweapon really isnt
Given how easily the beer virus has been jumping from animals to humans and back I seriously doubt it is anything but natural.
The lab theory has already been debunked, can we move on with bashing AZ now pls?
Also, Occam's Razor. It's interesting to believe stuff has been made in a lab and also reassuring (because another pandemic may be averted by better safety protocols and what not), but unfortunately mother nature is much more savage than most people think. Read "The Hot Zone" and "The Demon in the Freezer" by Richard Preston for further information on how easily and seamlessly we could go from the dominant species on the planet to a bunch of cavemen. Micro-organisms are not to be joked with - and research labs are aware of this, the protocols are incredibly complex and safe. But nature can fuck us over in a heart beat, especially since we keep poking her with sticks (e.g. see how bovines are "cultivated" with antibiotic shots and what not).
Guns make the news, science doesn't.
Germany is now apparently also limiting AZ to people over 60 years old.
Indeed.
So much for vaccinating teachers to reopen schools even more. I mean, the dates I got for my vaccinations were now and in the Summer break. Now it looks like first shot in Summer, second shot even later.
Not that this will make them rethink their school reopening plans.
BTW, for Berlin we're talking grades seven to nine, all other classes are back to school already anyway. Only primary school teachers got vaccinated.
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