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    i'm really surprised how vulnerable our medical system turned out to be. We have about 2 mil of inhabitants and only 165 respiratory machines available in the whole country. So have a virus that targets your respiratory system and you are pretty much fucked . Did the nature just find out the perfect disease/virus to end the human race?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badboy K View Post
    i'm really surprised how vulnerable our medical system turned out to be. We have about 2 mil of inhabitants and only 165 respiratory machines available in the whole country. So have a virus that targets your respiratory system and you are pretty much fucked . Did the nature just find out the perfect disease/virus to end the human race?
    You adjust supply according to the demand. If in an average year your country's peak need is (per your example) 150 ventilators a 10% reserve would seem reasonable. These machines need to be maintained, even when not in use. Staff need to be trained in how to use them. That all costs money. Money which is wanted by other public services.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Larkonnis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Badboy K View Post
    i'm really surprised how vulnerable our medical system turned out to be. We have about 2 mil of inhabitants and only 165 respiratory machines available in the whole country. So have a virus that targets your respiratory system and you are pretty much fucked . Did the nature just find out the perfect disease/virus to end the human race?
    You adjust supply according to the demand. If in an average year your country's peak need is (per your example) 150 ventilators a 10% reserve would seem reasonable. These machines need to be maintained, even when not in use. Staff need to be trained in how to use them. That all costs money. Money which is wanted by other public services.
    I understand that. And thats exactly my point. There isn't enough ventilators in the world in case of the pandemic like this. And you can't just build them in large quantities over night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badboy K View Post
    i'm really surprised how vulnerable our medical system turned out to be. We have about 2 mil of inhabitants and only 165 respiratory machines available in the whole country. So have a virus that targets your respiratory system and you are pretty much fucked . Did the nature just find out the perfect disease/virus to end the human race?
    No, because it still only kills a small fraction of people who get it.

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    Some "until further notice".

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    The German government ordered 300k masks and protective equipment and 10k medical respirators. The order was placed through the Bundeswehr and will be supplied to the Bundeswehr and federal agencies like the Bundespolizei. The respirator order went to Dräger in Germany, which will take almost the whole year to build and deliver all 10k units.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badboy K View Post
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    i'm really surprised how vulnerable our medical system turned out to be. We have about 2 mil of inhabitants and only 165 respiratory machines available in the whole country. So have a virus that targets your respiratory system and you are pretty much fucked . Did the nature just find out the perfect disease/virus to end the human race?
    You adjust supply according to the demand. If in an average year your country's peak need is (per your example) 150 ventilators a 10% reserve would seem reasonable. These machines need to be maintained, even when not in use. Staff need to be trained in how to use them. That all costs money. Money which is wanted by other public services.
    I understand that. And thats exactly my point. There isn't enough ventilators in the world in case of the pandemic like this. And you can't just build them in large quantities over night.
    It seems some hospitals, new to me but it seems to be a thing, store old equipment. As much vacuum sealed as possible, special bags, special storage rooms. Prepper director i guess. In any case with that old equipment some regional hospitals can double their beds with equipment (no huge numbers think 10>20).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post
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    i'm really surprised how vulnerable our medical system turned out to be. We have about 2 mil of inhabitants and only 165 respiratory machines available in the whole country. So have a virus that targets your respiratory system and you are pretty much fucked . Did the nature just find out the perfect disease/virus to end the human race?
    You adjust supply according to the demand. If in an average year your country's peak need is (per your example) 150 ventilators a 10% reserve would seem reasonable. These machines need to be maintained, even when not in use. Staff need to be trained in how to use them. That all costs money. Money which is wanted by other public services.
    I understand that. And thats exactly my point. There isn't enough ventilators in the world in case of the pandemic like this. And you can't just build them in large quantities over night.
    It seems some hospitals, new to me but it seems to be a thing, store old equipment. As much vacuum sealed as possible, special bags, special storage rooms. Prepper director i guess. In any case with that old equipment some regional hospitals can double their beds with equipment (no huge numbers think 10>20).
    The shortage isn't equipment, it's staff. Critical care is amongst the most skilled of clinical disciplines. Have all the ventilators and ecmo you like, it's not going to help if you don't have competent and current staff to run them. The cost per crit care bed in the UK is about £750k to £1m per year, which is dominated by staff. Crit care is a 1:1 or 1:2 discipline in nursing terms. That compares to anywhere up to 1:16 or so on a typical ward. You can't just magic that level of staff out of nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
    You are literally clueless, sorry to tell you.
    Wind your neck in sunshine. I've given you the numbers and I'm telling you you're wrong. Go to your local crit care and ask them how they're doing tonight. The answer? Practically empty. There's a good chance your ED is dead quiet too because everyone is staying in this weekend. Part of that is due to flu being quiet, where we've got lucky.

    You need to chill out on the waffle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
    You are literally clueless, sorry to tell you.
    Wind your neck in sunshine. I've given you the numbers and I'm telling you you're wrong. Go to your local crit care and ask them how they're doing tonight. The answer? Practically empty. There's a good chance your ED is dead quiet too because everyone is staying in this weekend. Part of that is due to flu being quiet, where we've got lucky.

    You need to chill out on the waffle.
    Uhm, iirc he works in crit care...
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
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    i'm really surprised how vulnerable our medical system turned out to be. We have about 2 mil of inhabitants and only 165 respiratory machines available in the whole country. So have a virus that targets your respiratory system and you are pretty much fucked . Did the nature just find out the perfect disease/virus to end the human race?
    You adjust supply according to the demand. If in an average year your country's peak need is (per your example) 150 ventilators a 10% reserve would seem reasonable. These machines need to be maintained, even when not in use. Staff need to be trained in how to use them. That all costs money. Money which is wanted by other public services.
    I understand that. And thats exactly my point. There isn't enough ventilators in the world in case of the pandemic like this. And you can't just build them in large quantities over night.
    It seems some hospitals, new to me but it seems to be a thing, store old equipment. As much vacuum sealed as possible, special bags, special storage rooms. Prepper director i guess. In any case with that old equipment some regional hospitals can double their beds with equipment (no huge numbers think 10>20).
    The shortage isn't equipment, it's staff. Critical care is amongst the most skilled of clinical disciplines. Have all the ventilators and ecmo you like, it's not going to help if you don't have competent and current staff to run them. The cost per crit care bed in the UK is about £750k to £1m per year, which is dominated by staff. Crit care is a 1:1 or 1:2 discipline in nursing terms. That compares to anywhere up to 1:16 or so on a typical ward. You can't just magic that level of staff out of nowhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
    You are literally clueless, sorry to tell you.
    Wind your neck in sunshine. I've given you the numbers and I'm telling you you're wrong. Go to your local crit care and ask them how they're doing tonight. The answer? Practically empty. There's a good chance your ED is dead quiet too because everyone is staying in this weekend. Part of that is due to flu being quiet, where we've got lucky.

    You need to chill out on the waffle.

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    Just amazing when all the square-rimmed glasses pop up in a genuine crisis with "Uh ackshually that's not possible"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Larkonnis View Post
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    https://www.berlin.de/rbmskzl/aktuel...ung.906890.php

    The actual city ordinance passed by Berlin. This is quite encompassing:

    - no public and non-public gatherings over 50 people (as mentioned in my last post)
    - all public and non-public gatherings under 50 people need to create a list of people present with names, addresses and phone numbers and the list needs to be kept for 4 weeks

    - closure of all clubs, bars, concert halls, trade shows, exhibitions, casinos, cinemas, theaters, museums, brothels
    - restaurants need to keep a distance of 1.5m between patrons

    - all sports are canceled
    - all gyms etc. are closed
    - exceptions can be granted to Olympic athletes and if exercise sessions are needed for animal welfare

    - all hospitals need to "retool" towards dealing with COVID-19
    - no patients over 16 can receive visitors
    - under 16 only 1 visitor for 1 hour, visitors with respiratory issues are banned
    - nursing homes 1 visitor for 1 hour, visitors with respiratory issues are banned as well as children

    - schools are closed
    - exams can only happen with 1.5m distance between students.

    This is in power until April 19.
    My bold, I know it's legal over there but I still had to do a double take.

    That's pretty comprehensive.

    I can see the logic of the UK's approach but also think it's a pretty big gamble... if it goes wrong the government can blame the experts, punt a good chunk of projected health and social care spending into the long grass and enjoy the benefits of a bit of generational wealth transfer.
    Conservative government in callous indifference to the most vulnerable members in society, actually we can make a nice profit on this while blaming someone - anyone - else non-shocker.
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    https://www.berlin.de/rbmskzl/aktuel...ung.906890.php

    The actual city ordinance passed by Berlin. This is quite encompassing:

    - no public and non-public gatherings over 50 people (as mentioned in my last post)
    - all public and non-public gatherings under 50 people need to create a list of people present with names, addresses and phone numbers and the list needs to be kept for 4 weeks

    - closure of all clubs, bars, concert halls, trade shows, exhibitions, casinos, cinemas, theaters, museums, brothels
    - restaurants need to keep a distance of 1.5m between patrons

    - all sports are canceled
    - all gyms etc. are closed
    - exceptions can be granted to Olympic athletes and if exercise sessions are needed for animal welfare

    - all hospitals need to "retool" towards dealing with COVID-19
    - no patients over 16 can receive visitors
    - under 16 only 1 visitor for 1 hour, visitors with respiratory issues are banned
    - nursing homes 1 visitor for 1 hour, visitors with respiratory issues are banned as well as children

    - schools are closed
    - exams can only happen with 1.5m distance between students.

    This is in power until April 19.
    That's similar to whats in effect in the whole of Austria from monday on. And partially already in effect.

    From monday on only essential things will be open.

    All schools/universities are closed at least for 3 weeks till the beginning of easter holidays (another 2 weeks). (they are starting with e-learning lessons instead. My nieces for example already got their instructions for that last week. They will even have to be online during normal school time, and do some lessons within a certain timeframe. Although I doubt that ll work like school expects. Nor do I expect every school to be prepared for that. Universities have switched to online lectures last week already)

    All normal shops closed. Only food stores, pharmacies, banks and basic necessities are allowed to open. Restaurants/Cafes only until 15:00.
    No sports events, no cultural stuff, not even church services.
    No visits in hospitals or elderly homes.
    Technically the allowed maximums for gatherings are 500 outdoors and 100 indoors. But considering that essentially everything is/gets cancelled I m not sure whats left where that even is supposed to apply to.

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    i read earlier that Greek (Orthodox) Churches have declared themselves immune by divine right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
    You are literally clueless, sorry to tell you.
    Wind your neck in sunshine. I've given you the numbers and I'm telling you you're wrong. Go to your local crit care and ask them how they're doing tonight. The answer? Practically empty. There's a good chance your ED is dead quiet too because everyone is staying in this weekend. Part of that is due to flu being quiet, where we've got lucky.

    You need to chill out on the waffle.
    I was not planning on budding in as it seems you and cosmin were doing fine....but yeah....cosmin literally works in a hospital as a doctor every day. Only one person who needs to wind his neck in and that is you mr. imareadthisoftheinternets
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Conservative government in callous indifference to the most vulnerable members in society, actually we can make a nice profit on this while blaming someone - anyone - else non-shocker.
    Your evil Tory plot idea is rather undermined by the UK approach being endorsed by the leaders of the Scottish and Welsh devolved administrations, both of whom would not piss on Boris Johnson if he were on fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombcrater View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Conservative government in callous indifference to the most vulnerable members in society, actually we can make a nice profit on this while blaming someone - anyone - else non-shocker.
    Your evil Tory plot idea is rather undermined by the UK approach being endorsed by the leaders of the Scottish and Welsh devolved administrations, both of whom would not piss on Boris Johnson if he were on fire.
    Perhaps you're right. Let's set him on fire and test your theory.
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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