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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
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    After it's running rampant and the number of infected are overwhelming the health care system?
    Almost exactly then, yes.
    I think you're under-estimating the lag. Incubation period is 5 days. So basically you need to be able to project when it'll start overwhelming the system and do it a week prior to that.
    Yes, hence "almost exactly". This isn't that hard to predict at macro scales - epidemiology is a thoroughly practiced field. As things develop we will rely less and less on case numbers and more and more on proxy measures like pressure on the health system.

    What we know for sure is that if you're closing schools now you're taking upwards of 10% of the NHS's staff out of action to deal with childcare, and you'd need to persist that for 14+ weeks to have a positive impact. Schools close for 2 weeks at the end of the month anyway. Doing it now doesn't buy much for that level of impact.

    The other elephant in the room is we need a significant number of (preferably healthy) people to be infected now to establish a level of herd immunity for when we really need it in about 4-6 weeks time.

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    And Berlin is closing all schools come Tuesday. We have a meeting of all teachers on Monday in the first period.

    Exams will most likely take place, as those are short presentations by up to three students and two teachers doing the grading.

    We are living in interesting times indeed.

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    3 weeks of teleworking yay, and kindergarten closed. This is going to be one heck of a family test :-D
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    Less than 1 million die, being old, or preexisting conditions is lame,
    kinda like all the people flu kills by default,

    Gonna have to be some sort of conflict with the price of oil it could do with a bump

    At some point business is gonna realise being closed all the time is bad for the people and a 2-1 day work week is best for corona and the kids

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
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    It seems kindof weird that no-one seems to be training nursing aides. I mean, sure, you can't get fully trained nurses but you can train a bunch of young people with no kids to the point where they can do a bunch of coronavirus care that frees up the trained professionals to deal with the harder jobs.
    The worst thing you can do in a crisis like this is inject untrained or semi-trained staff into your critical care environments - your HDUs and ICUs that will be feeling the most severe pressure. It takes months of additional training for someone to be competent in critical care. Even fully trained nurses can't just be dropped into that kind of role. Even a single breach of infection control protocol could lead to dozens or hundreds of severe cases. We're working with what we've got, whether we like it or not.
    he's not proposing putting these people in ICU's, it's for the patients that are bedridden but not in critical condition such as when the non-critical quarantine wards start filling up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    he's not proposing putting these people in ICU's, it's for the patients that are bedridden but not in critical condition such as when the non-critical quarantine wards start filling up.
    You're working on the assumption there's anyone non-critical left in the place.

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    France shutting down all edu facilities + lowering max gatherings to 100 (from 1000 a week ago).
    Most hospitals can test maximum 80~100 people / day here so numbers are kinda skewed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
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    he's not proposing putting these people in ICU's, it's for the patients that are bedridden but not in critical condition such as when the non-critical quarantine wards start filling up.
    You're working on the assumption there's anyone non-critical left in the place.
    setting up barracked isolation accommodations is not rocket science and is something your government should have done weeks ago.

    we've reopened old army barracks for just this sort of purpose precisely to keep the worst cases confined to the hospitals, these facilities are then going to be staffed by a mixture of a small number of doctors and nurses along with volunteers drawn from the civil and home guard by the looks of it.

    thankfully growth has slowed, a bit, so it's only up 111 from yesterday, it's still bad, but it's not "shit, it's doubling every day" levels of bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
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    he's not proposing putting these people in ICU's, it's for the patients that are bedridden but not in critical condition such as when the non-critical quarantine wards start filling up.
    You're working on the assumption there's anyone non-critical left in the place.
    setting up barracked isolation accommodations is not rocket science and is something your government should have done weeks ago.

    we've reopened old army barracks for just this sort of purpose precisely to keep the worst cases confined to the hospitals, these facilities are then going to be staffed by a mixture of a small number of doctors and nurses along with volunteers drawn from the civil and home guard by the looks of it.

    thankfully growth has slowed, a bit, so it's only up 111 from yesterday, it's still bad, but it's not "shit, it's doubling every day" levels of bad.
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

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    Why would you need isolation barracks? Just stay at home. The point is there isn't a middle ground here of people who need "some" care. People with pneumonia due to coronavirus are, by definition, in need of critical care. If you're "bedridden" you can just as easily do that from your own bed. The risk management focuses on limiting the spread of coronavirus to other risk groups in the health system, which is principally achieved by what are mostly pretty standard infection control procedures - which is why you can't have untrained (or really trained-then-retired) eejits running around the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Why would you need isolation barracks? Just stay at home. The point is there isn't a middle ground here of people who need "some" care. People with pneumonia due to coronavirus are, by definition, in need of critical care. If you're "bedridden" you can just as easily do that from your own bed. The risk management focuses on limiting the spread of coronavirus to other risk groups in the health system, which is principally achieved by what are mostly pretty standard infection control procedures - which is why you can't have untrained (or really trained-then-retired) eejits running around the place.
    this is in turn based on the assumption that home isolation is a practical option for everybody who winds up in that group.

    consider if, or rather when internal travel restrictions come into play as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Why would you need isolation barracks? Just stay at home. The point is there isn't a middle ground here of people who need "some" care. People with pneumonia due to coronavirus are, by definition, in need of critical care. If you're "bedridden" you can just as easily do that from your own bed. The risk management focuses on limiting the spread of coronavirus to other risk groups in the health system, which is principally achieved by what are mostly pretty standard infection control procedures - which is why you can't have untrained (or really trained-then-retired) eejits running around the place.
    this is in turn based on the assumption that home isolation is a practical option for everybody who winds up in that group.

    consider if, or rather when internal travel restrictions come into play as well.
    Or maybe you live with vulnerable, elderly relatives.
    meh

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    you can actually hear and see him do the math in his head at the last bit.

    for reference we're at 7.7 billion globally, so 7.7 * 10^9 * 0.8 * 0.01 = 616.000.000, so 616 million people.
    Viking, n.:
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    Why would you need isolation barracks? Just stay at home. The point is there isn't a middle ground here of people who need "some" care. People with pneumonia due to coronavirus are, by definition, in need of critical care. If you're "bedridden" you can just as easily do that from your own bed. The risk management focuses on limiting the spread of coronavirus to other risk groups in the health system, which is principally achieved by what are mostly pretty standard infection control procedures - which is why you can't have untrained (or really trained-then-retired) eejits running around the place.
    this is in turn based on the assumption that home isolation is a practical option for everybody who winds up in that group.

    consider if, or rather when internal travel restrictions come into play as well.
    Or maybe you live with vulnerable, elderly relatives.
    At that point we start having to accept hard realities. The worst thing you can do is concentrate all those infected people into one place. "Infected" is not a binary state. There is a dose-response curve - that's why clinical staff will be disproportionately affected by this. Isolation serves two purposes - to keep infected people away from you to delay infection, and to keep you away from everyone else once you become infected.

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    for once, i'm actually quite happy with how the UK gov is doing things... having a major panic now (when really the only euro country in crisis is Italy) just adds more workload the health services still under pressure from winter illnesses. Slow things down and spread it out makes a lot more sense to me.

    on the other hand, i'm not a doctor or anything (i do work for the police though, and we're having very interesting briefings at the moment) so for all i know the UK is burying it's head in the sand, but it feels sensible.

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    I'm feeling like nostradamus compared to the normies now. Stockpiled everything weeks ago (stores are flooded atm), took vacation to fuck off to an island house, now get to work from home remotely when my vacation ends.


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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    for once, i'm actually quite happy with how the UK gov is doing things... having a major panic now (when really the only euro country in crisis is Italy) just adds more workload the health services still under pressure from winter illnesses. Slow things down and spread it out makes a lot more sense to me.

    on the other hand, i'm not a doctor or anything (i do work for the police though, and we're having very interesting briefings at the moment) so for all i know the UK is burying it's head in the sand, but it feels sensible.
    that's the point of all the measures being put in place though, its basically a delaying action.

    i for one cannot wait for the "MUH PRODUCTIVITY" whines from the usual shit-rags we're going to get in about 2 weeks time when the first phase of the "lockdown" is nearing it's end.
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Why would you need isolation barracks? Just stay at home. The point is there isn't a middle ground here of people who need "some" care. People with pneumonia due to coronavirus are, by definition, in need of critical care. If you're "bedridden" you can just as easily do that from your own bed. The risk management focuses on limiting the spread of coronavirus to other risk groups in the health system, which is principally achieved by what are mostly pretty standard infection control procedures - which is why you can't have untrained (or really trained-then-retired) eejits running around the place.
    this is in turn based on the assumption that home isolation is a practical option for everybody who winds up in that group.

    consider if, or rather when internal travel restrictions come into play as well.
    Or maybe you live with vulnerable, elderly relatives.
    At that point we start having to accept hard realities. The worst thing you can do is concentrate all those infected people into one place. "Infected" is not a binary state. There is a dose-response curve - that's why clinical staff will be disproportionately affected by this. Isolation serves two purposes - to keep infected people away from you to delay infection, and to keep you away from everyone else once you become infected.
    Also to make removal of the bodies easier...
    meh

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