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    [TMA] Busting gatecamps

    so, i really, really want to go around and bust (smaller) gatecamps.

    How does one do it nowdays? Let's assume perfect skills, solo (i'd have some support, but let's deal with solo for now).
    I reckon MJD is a must, you bust some ships and then run before the support arrives.
    I reckon battleships are, again, optimal. Shinier stuff is easyer to hold, more expensive, hurt more to lose, and attract more attention.
    Finally, not sure about the fits. Should one go active tanking? Massive buffers?
    I guess neuts are also a must, since, again, we're trying to gank and run...

    Any and all thoughts, suggestions, even fits are more then welcome.

    Thanks!!!!
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    Most gatecamps in lowsec now will have at least one T1 logi with them. If they don't think they can kill you they'll just jump through the gate or leave some other way.
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    Ecm bursting mjd heavy neut scorpion




    (I'm somewhat serious. Used it twice for great comedic efficiency )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoffl View Post
    Ecm bursting mjd heavy neut scorpion




    (I'm somewhat serious. Used it twice for great comedic efficiency )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Most gatecamps in lowsec now will have at least one T1 logi with them. If they don't think they can kill you they'll just jump through the gate or leave some other way.
    and that would, in my eyes, be a win.
    i'd kill at least one ship and the camp would disperse (imho, camping is by far the lowest type of pvp in eve).

    That's why i'm kind of looking at either bhaalgorn for the neuting power to fuck up logis (geddon can almost do it, but not as good, and the price difference is something like 100mil isk), or rattlesnake for pure tank/dps combination.

    The way i hope to pull this is just warp in, try top blap something and then MJD out...

    edit: TMA ecm bursts...
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    Most BS are 100% useless.
    You'll get MJDd off the gate, then the command destroyer or a Svipul will just orbit you w/ AB on and laugh at your zero turret/missile DPS while everyone warps in for km-whoring.
    Only BS worth flying right now are Nightmare, Barghest and Mach (in that order), all with 1-2 support ships (Curse/HIC/Keres/MJD Destroyer), max force multiplication and some general knowledge of the area.

    I'd say try dualweb (yes dualweb, trust me) hull brutix for starters.
    30mil after insurance, so you can literally welp 5 during one play session and not care
    900 dps with mmaximum t3d dumpstering potential
    70k ehp
    #yolo


    Also see this video to get an idea how "busting" an average camp looks like in eve 2016
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVEgae5s70k
    Last edited by n0th; January 8 2016 at 01:38:20 PM.

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    Mhm if the ecm burst doesn't break command dessie thingie cycles I guess the roflcopterscorp is dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoffl View Post
    Mhm if the ecm burst doesn't break command dessie thingie cycles I guess the roflcopterscorp is dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by n0th View Post
    Most BS are 100% useless.
    You'll get MJDd off the gate, then the command destroyer or a Svipul will just orbit you w/ AB on and laugh at your zero turret/missile DPS while everyone warps in for km-whoring.
    Only BS worth flying right now are Nightmare, Barghest and Mach (in that order), all with 1-2 support ships (Curse/HIC/Keres/MJD Destroyer), max force multiplication and some general knowledge of the area.

    I'd say try dualweb (yes dualweb, trust me) hull brutix for starters.
    30mil after insurance, so you can literally welp 5 during one play session and not care
    900 dps with mmaximum t3d dumpstering potential
    70k ehp
    #yolo


    Also see this video to get an idea how "busting" an average camp looks like in eve 2016
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVEgae5s70k
    YOu see, haven't thought about new dessies. does zero cap fucks up the mjd thingie?

    dual webs are kind of a must, i am aware of that

    i will most definitely try the brutix thing, i already have 2 in hangar.

    cheers
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    100mn legion also still works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W0lf Crendraven View Post
    100mn legion also still works.
    How does it do enough dps?

    Lowsec camps used to be a world apart from nullsec entry ones.
    Lowsec would have T1 logi at ~50km off, RSBing tacklers sitting there with overheated linked webs. You had to look worth shooting & be able to deal with ecm + logi at range, or to come in and point more than a disposable t1 logi alt. And everyone has full neut geddons ready to reship to.
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    Idk about that, and i'm fucking stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by W0lf Crendraven View Post
    100mn legion also still works.
    How does it do enough dps?

    Lowsec camps used to be a world apart from nullsec entry ones.
    Lowsec would have T1 logi at ~50km off, RSBing tacklers sitting there with overheated linked webs. You had to look worth shooting & be able to deal with ecm + logi at range, or to come in and point more than a disposable t1 logi alt. And everyone has full neut geddons ready to reship to.
    If you have 2 or 3 (yes i know he asked solo, but also stated that he has friends) its usually enough. Can do the same with tengus which cost more and tank less (unless you have crystals) but do more dps. What ive found is that most gatecamps have terrible performance when put to the test, remember some gatecamp with 5 logis breaking to 2 tengus a year ago or so. They all suck. And the legion allows for fairly painless tries as its really hard to die in one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarnca View Post
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    how about buffer vs tanking?
    what's the currently 'hot' thing?
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    Jump bait through the gate. Bring in DPS Thanny
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    Expect 2+ logi, more from permanent gatecamps. Don't stay too long waiting for a fight. Jump in, if they don't bite within 30 secs leave. Otherwise you will get geddons, ecm and more logi to come to the party. And yea your support will need to be able to deal with logi/ewar and be able to kill the new command destroyers. Otherwise they can just jump you off your get out of jailcard, "the stargate".

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    Brutix, auto cane used to be good for breaking camps. You just burn away and kill anything that tries to come close. A lot of people will panic when they see a solo ship trying to fight them in any real way. If there is any kind of ecm on field/webs though this doesn't really work .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarnca View Post
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    So is it not at all doable to jump in through said gate in a tanked to hell and back geddon? Nos everyone. neut the logi/command/whatever and set drones on them? Drones can track stuff.
    I guess ECM would fuck all over that tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashaz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Smarnca View Post
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    Today My Ass.
    See also TIL.



    So is it not at all doable to jump in through said gate in a tanked to hell and back geddon? Nos everyone. neut the logi/command/whatever and set drones on them? Drones can track stuff.
    I guess ECM would fuck all over that tho.
    You don't have enough mods in general on a single battleship to do all that effectively. Duo or trio BS roaming with maybe a little ewar support (a Keres/Lachesis/Arazu)? Yes.

    PS - What times (EVETime) do you roam?

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