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    North Korean Nuclear Boogaloo

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ea9_story.html

    North Korea says it has conducted a successful hydrogen bomb test

    TOKYO — North Korea claimed Wednesday that it had successfully tested a hydrogen bomb, a claim that, if true, would mark a huge step forward in its nuclear capability.

    “We’ve carried out a hydrogen bomb test,” a newsreader on the state-run Korean Central Television station announced in a special broadcast from Pyongyang.

    “North Korea was forced to develop its nuclear arsenal because of the U.S.’s hostile policy against North Korea,” she said. “However, as a peaceful nation and a nuclear powered-nation, North Korea will be a responsible state and will not use its nuclear power before [an attack] and will not transfer the technology to others.”

    There was some skepticism about the claim, with nuclear experts noting that the yield appeared to be similar to North Korea’s three previous atomic tests, rather than the “enormous” yield that would be expected if it had been a thermonuclear test.

    Either way, Pyongyang’s provocative action will present a new challenge to the outside world, which has struggled to find ways to end North Korea’s nuclear defiance.

    “North Korea’s fourth test — in the context of repeated statements by U.S., Chinese, and South Korean leaders — throws down the gauntlet to the international community to go beyond paper resolutions and find a way to impose real costs on North Korea for pursuing this course of action,” said Scott Snyder, a Korea expert at the Council on Foreign Relations.

    Kim Jong Un’s regime hinted in December that it had built a hydrogen bomb to “defend its sovereignty and the dignity of the nation.” Some analysts were doubtful, saying the young leader appeared primarily concerned with trying to bolster his legitimacy.

    But on Wednesday, North Korea said in a special broadcast that it had carried out a “successful” hydrogen bomb test. “With this hydrogen bomb test, we have joined the major nuclear powers,” the newsreader said.

    Hydrogen, or thermonuclear, bombs are exponentially more powerful and destructive than atomic devices. An atomic bomb uses fission to break up the atomic nucleus and release energy, while a hydrogen or thermonuclear bomb uses fusion to add to the nucleus. This leads to an enormous explosion resulting from an uncontrolled, self-sustaining chain reaction.

    Kim has repeatedly asserted North Korea’s status as a nuclear-armed country and has resolutely refused to return to multilateral talks aimed at persuading it to abandon its nuclear weapons program.

    North Korea had conducted three nuclear tests since 2006 but only one during Kim’s reign, in February 2013.To the surprise of many analysts, there had been no fourth test.

    Then, there were signs of unusual seismic activity around North Korea’s main nuclear test site Wednesday morning, sparking fears that Pyongyang ordered the detonation of another atomic device two days before Kim’s birthday.

    Earthquake agencies in China, Japan and the United States all recorded unusual seismic activity in the northeastern corner of North Korea at 10 a.m. local time Wednesday.

    The U.S. Geological Survey recorded a shallow 5.1-magnitude quake about 20 miles from the facility at Punggye-ri, where North Korea has carried out its three previous nuclear tests. Japan’s Meteorological Agency said that it appeared to be some kind of artificial explosion and that the waveform was very similar to the ones detected at the past nuclear tests, public broadcaster NHK reported.

    Many analysts have been surprised that such a long period has passed without another test, because it is by testing that North Korea can advance its program.

    “I think they have a technological path in mind,” said Jeffrey Lewis, a nuclear expert at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies in Monterey, Calif.

    In December, Lewis noted that satellite pictures showed North Korea appeared to be building a new tunnel at its nuclear test site, warning that the Pyongyang regime might be preparing to conduct a fourth atomic test. “There is a lot of tunneling at the test site, which could mean they have a bunch of tests planned,” he said.

    Although analysts were still awaiting more data, Lewis said that Wednesday’s explosion looked very similar to past tests and was not enormous, suggesting it was not a hydrogen bomb.

    In Seoul and Tokyo, the governments called emergency national security meetings to discuss the possibility of a nuclear test.

    “This nuclear test by North Korea is a major threat to our country’s security, and I absolutely cannot accept it,” Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe told reporters in Tokyo on Wednesday. “Also, it is clearly a violation of United Nations Security Council resolutions so . . . we will take strong measure, including steps within the U.N. Security Council.”

    Joel Wit, a former U.S. diplomat who runs the 38 North website dedicated to North Korea, said that the purpose of the test remained unclear.

    “What is clear is that North Korea is moving forward with its nuclear weapons program and that the United States, China and the international community need to come up with more effective ways to deal with this growing threat,” he said.

    Yoonjung Seo in Seoul and Yuki Oda in Tokyo contributed to this report.


    The last North Korean nuclear test also generated a magnitude 5.1 earthquake, so the claims of a successful hydrogen bomb test are suspect. Maybe they've been faking them with a lot of explosives and a bit of radioactive material. It'd certainly be a lot cheaper and easier than an actual nuclear weapon.
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    Bollocks, the North Koreans will more likely be able to travel to the moon with a hot air balloon before they manage to develop thermonuclear weapons

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Bollocks, the North Koreans will more likely be able to travel to the moon with a hot air balloon before they manage to develop thermonuclear weapons
    Tbh hydrogen bombs are not as hard to develop as fission bombs are once you know how to make a fission bomb, but the DPRK almost certainly doesn't have one because if they did we'd have known the moment they set it off. The explosive power of a thermonuclear device is on a completely different scale compared to a fission device and can't be hidden easily. Likely they've been trying to build a hydrogen bomb (which would explain why they stopped testing fission devices) and this was an attempt at testing a potential thermonuclear device. Being that a thermonuclear device actually uses a fission device as a catalyst for fusion what probably happened is that they set this thing off and it failed 'only' producing an atomic blast, the DPRK being the DPRK then simply announced they'd detonated a thermonuke to 'save face' even though the rest of us can tell from the seismic profile that they did not achieve fusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilDude View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Bollocks, the North Koreans will more likely be able to travel to the moon with a hot air balloon before they manage to develop thermonuclear weapons
    Tbh hydrogen bombs are not as hard to develop as fission bombs are once you know how to make a fission bomb
    In theory no, in practice making a fusion weapon set off by an imploding fission trigger (which I doubt alone they've managed) and on top of all that a deliverable one is another matter

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    Didn't we have a thread on best korea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
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    Bollocks, the North Koreans will more likely be able to travel to the moon with a hot air balloon before they manage to develop thermonuclear weapons
    Tbh hydrogen bombs are not as hard to develop as fission bombs are once you know how to make a fission bomb
    In theory no, in practice making a fusion weapon set off by an imploding fission trigger (which I doubt alone they've managed) and on top of all that a deliverable one is another matter
    True but they don't really need to bother with deliverable, they're just beating their chest and they know it, they probably figure that if they prove rudimentary thermonuclear capability that other nations will then be forced to take them more seriously. Their main hurdle is in precision engineering rather than scientific understanding at this point, I'd be willing to bet that their earlier tests were geared towards developing not a standard nuke but the necessary X-Ray output for a thermonuclear trigger as a first step in a crash program to produce a hydrogen bomb. Once they had the results they wanted they then started on developing the next step, what they probably lack is the exact mixture of materials for the fusion fuel or the exact composition of the fission 'igniter' element used to spark fusion which is a closely guarded secret among the US, NATO, and Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilDude View Post
    True but they don't really need to bother with deliverable, they're just beating their chest and they know it, they probably figure that if they prove rudimentary thermonuclear capability that other nations will then be forced to take them more seriously
    They can just toss it over the border for all they care.

    Also don't they have Scuds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DevilDude View Post
    True but they don't really need to bother with deliverable, they're just beating their chest and they know it, they probably figure that if they prove rudimentary thermonuclear capability that other nations will then be forced to take them more seriously
    They can just toss it over the border for all they care.

    Also don't they have Scuds?
    Have you ever seen a two story house strapped to a scud before? No? Neither have I.

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    If they drove one up to the border and lit it off would it cause any significant emp fuckery in the South?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spawinte View Post
    If they drove one up to the border and lit it off would it cause any significant emp fuckery in the South?
    You need a stratoblast for good EMP.

    I should admit i forgot about the DMZ.

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    North Korea announces successful development of more hot air.

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    Honestly, it doesn't matter if Best Korea can actually build a thermonuclear device - if they have radioactive materials with which to try and develop one, they're more than capable of building a dirty bomb.
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    Wow. You people actually think best korea is literally worse than the islamic state.

    If they wanted to just bomb RK it would have happened long ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Bollocks, the North Koreans will more likely be able to travel to the moon with a hot air balloon before they manage to develop thermonuclear weapons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Bollocks, the North Koreans will more likely be able to travel to the moon with a hot air balloon before they manage to develop thermonuclear weapons
    Shallow 5.4 magnitude quake with wave patterns that match a nuclear detonation, and is clearly different from naturally accuring quakes.

    Oh yeah, North Korea can't into themonulurar exposions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakshasa The Cat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
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    Bollocks, the North Koreans will more likely be able to travel to the moon with a hot air balloon before they manage to develop thermonuclear weapons
    Shallow 5.4 magnitude quake with wave patterns that match a nuclear detonation, and is clearly different from naturally accuring quakes.

    Oh yeah, North Korea can't into themonulurar exposions.
    The quake is the same magnitude as the ones caused by fission nukes when they last tested them. So it might have been a nuke but probably not a hydrogen bomb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The quake is the same magnitude as the ones caused by fission nukes when they last tested them. So it might have been a nuke but probably not a hydrogen bomb.
    Yes.

    Which means NK are into both thermonuclear and lying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
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    Bollocks, the North Koreans will more likely be able to travel to the moon with a hot air balloon before they manage to develop thermonuclear weapons
    Shallow 5.4 magnitude quake with wave patterns that match a nuclear detonation, and is clearly different from naturally accuring quakes.

    Oh yeah, North Korea can't into themonulurar exposions.
    The quake is the same magnitude as the ones caused by fission nukes when they last tested them. So it might have been a nuke but probably not a hydrogen bomb.
    Is it? I remember their first test causing a quake in the range of 2-3? To lazy to look it up, though
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