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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
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    All countries military forces make plans for literally everything, the US probably have a plan on how to invade Canada
    ... and the Zombie apocalypse: https://www.wired.com/2011/06/army-g...mbie-invasion/
    Isn't the gist of that "we'd treat it like any highly infectious outbreak" though

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    Isnt the point that North Korea now has a credible idea of how the US and South Korea would go about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Isnt the point that North Korea now has a credible idea of how the US and South Korea would go about it?
    Yeah. It wasn't so much that they exist, more that they are known by the people they were to be used against.
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    And nuclear war inches ever closer...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-break-moment/
    Actually an '06.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAfroMan View Post
    And nuclear war inches ever closer...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-break-moment/
    "Unless the hostile policy and the nuclear threat of the U.S. is thoroughly eradicated, we will never put our nuclear weapons and ballistic rockets on the negotiating table under any circumstances," Kim said.
    That's the negotiation I guess.
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    I guess American MSM have stoped posting about North Korea and were jerking each other off with the question: why did Hillary lose?
    So Kim Jong 'the rocket man' Un had to get some attention back to himself

    And now we're gonna have a week of everybody panicking for no reason.

    Maybe Putin ordered Kim to make such a threat?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarnca View Post
    I guess American MSM have stoped posting about North Korea and were jerking each other off with the question: why did Hillary lose?
    So Kim Jong 'the rocket man' Un had to get some attention back to himself

    And now we're gonna have a week of everybody panicking for no reason.

    Maybe Putin ordered Kim to make such a threat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAfroMan View Post
    And nuclear war inches ever closer...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-break-moment/
    US strikes back...


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    i wonder if these are the last pieces to arrive, or there's more to come.

    also, anybody know roughly how many of those converted Ohio class SSGN's that are over there ? is it one or two?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    i wonder if these are the last pieces to arrive, or there's more to come.

    also, anybody know roughly how many of those converted Ohio class SSGN's that are over there ? is it one or two?

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    It's only 99 days until the Winter Olympics in SK . Ticket sales aren't going well for some reason. Another reason why NK probably won't get bombed - and will get nuke missiles. Should a taken care of this years ago, it's too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    It's only 99 days until the Winter Olympics in SK . Ticket sales aren't going well for some reason. Another reason why NK probably won't get bombed - and will get nuke missiles. Should a taken care of this years ago, it's too late.
    Probably because noone really cares about the winter olympics.


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    Not sure I could name a single winter Olympic athlete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    It's only 99 days until the Winter Olympics in SK . Ticket sales aren't going well for some reason. Another reason why NK probably won't get bombed - and will get nuke missiles. Should a taken care of this years ago, it's too late.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...nk-retaliation

    Washington (AP) -- A high-ranking North Korean defector told a congressional hearing Wednesday that a pre-emptive U.S. military strike on the country would trigger automatic retaliation, with the North unleashing artillery and short-range missile fire on South Korea.

    The testimony from Thae Yong Ho, former deputy chief of mission at the North Korean Embassy in London, underscored the high risk in using military force against North Korea. The Trump administration has said this is among its options in stopping leader Kim Jong Un from perfecting a nuclear-tipped missile that could strike the United States.

    Thae, the highest-level North Korean defector in two decades, appeared to confirm what has long been suspected but rarely articulated by U.S. officials — that even a selective American strike could rain a potentially devastating North Korean military response on the South Korean capital and its environs, about 25 miles (40 kilometers) south of the heavily militarized frontier.

    Thae, who is making his first visit to Washington since his defection last year, said the U.S. and allied South Korea would win a war after a preventive military strike on the North, but there would be a "human sacrifice" inflicted on the South from the "tens of thousands" of artillery guns and short-range missiles the North has at the frontier.
    This unfortunately confirms the extremely narrow range of options. North Korea's conventional weapons emplacements are meant to serve as a deterrent against an invasion, and like any good deterrent, it must be used if it fails to deter an attack. Their nuclear weapons serve the same objective, but at a much greater scale. It's not unreasonable to extrapolate that their nuclear forces are under the same orders. It that's correct, it means we have three options:

    1. Pray the Kim regime ends with Jong Un by coup
    2. Convince them to surrender their nuclear weapons program
    3. Conduct a massive preemptive nuclear strike to prevent civilian casualties in allied nations (I've gone over that fallout can be avoided to prevent large scale regional casualties from radiation before).
    4. Conduct a conventional strike only and roll the dice on whether or not Kim Jong Un gave his nuclear forces different orders and pray their border artillery troops would rather surrender than fire.

    I'm hoping #1 or #2 works before we run out of time, and have to use #3 before North Korea's nuclear deterrent is reliable enough to make all action impossible. Four is horrifically risky for the sake of the moral high ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evelgrivion View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    It's only 99 days until the Winter Olympics in SK . Ticket sales aren't going well for some reason. Another reason why NK probably won't get bombed - and will get nuke missiles. Should a taken care of this years ago, it's too late.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...nk-retaliation

    Washington (AP) -- A high-ranking North Korean defector told a congressional hearing Wednesday that a pre-emptive U.S. military strike on the country would trigger automatic retaliation, with the North unleashing artillery and short-range missile fire on South Korea.

    The testimony from Thae Yong Ho, former deputy chief of mission at the North Korean Embassy in London, underscored the high risk in using military force against North Korea. The Trump administration has said this is among its options in stopping leader Kim Jong Un from perfecting a nuclear-tipped missile that could strike the United States.

    Thae, the highest-level North Korean defector in two decades, appeared to confirm what has long been suspected but rarely articulated by U.S. officials that even a selective American strike could rain a potentially devastating North Korean military response on the South Korean capital and its environs, about 25 miles (40 kilometers) south of the heavily militarized frontier.

    Thae, who is making his first visit to Washington since his defection last year, said the U.S. and allied South Korea would win a war after a preventive military strike on the North, but there would be a "human sacrifice" inflicted on the South from the "tens of thousands" of artillery guns and short-range missiles the North has at the frontier.
    This unfortunately confirms the extremely narrow range of options. North Korea's conventional weapons emplacements are meant to serve as a deterrent against an invasion, and like any good deterrent, it must be used if it fails to deter an attack. Their nuclear weapons serve the same objective, but at a much greater scale. It's not unreasonable to extrapolate that their nuclear forces are under the same orders. It that's correct, it means we have three options:

    1. Pray the Kim regime ends with Jong Un by coup
    2. Convince them to surrender their nuclear weapons program
    3. Conduct a massive preemptive nuclear strike to prevent civilian casualties in allied nations (I've gone over that fallout can be avoided to prevent large scale regional casualties from radiation before).

    I'm hoping #1 or #2 works before we run out of time, and have to use #3 before North Korea's nuclear deterrent is reliable enough to make all action impossible.

    Every country that complied with #1 has fallen. So i find it highly unlikely NK would try that one.

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    4. leave them the fuck alone and start de-escalating hostilities while opening up trade.

    the Saudi's are respected members of the international community, i am sure that there is a place for a pseudo monarchy claiming to be a communist state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    4. leave them the fuck alone and start de-escalating hostilities while opening up trade.

    the Saudi's are respected members of the international community, i am sure that there is a place for a pseudo monarchy claiming to be a communist state.
    North Korea's objectives are to remain an isolated state playing other nations against each other, and conquering South Korea. They intend to accomplish the last one by using nuclear weapons to convince the US public that stopping North Korea will never be worth it, not even if they attack South Korea. North Korea isn't stupid enough to open up trade without limiting it to state sanctioned goods at the Chinese border only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evelgrivion View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    4. leave them the fuck alone and start de-escalating hostilities while opening up trade.

    the Saudi's are respected members of the international community, i am sure that there is a place for a pseudo monarchy claiming to be a communist state.
    North Korea's objectives are to remain an isolated state playing other nations against each other, and conquering South Korea. They intend to accomplish the last one by using nuclear weapons to convince the US public that stopping North Korea will never be worth it, not even if they attack South Korea. North Korea isn't stupid enough to open up trade without limiting it to state sanctioned goods at the Chinese border only.
    North Korea's current isolation is driven by US sanctions and deployment of US forces to SK as part of the cold war, the regime, while never a nice place per-se, was a great deal more open back when the USSR was around.

    their disproportionate spending on their military is just as much because there is the better part of three US divisions sitting near their doorstep and the world's most powerful country has repeatedly threatened with the resumption of war the last almost 60 years years now, their fear of invasion drives their entire foreign and military policy for obvious reasons.

    regarding trade, your assumptions do not actually hold true.

    their behaviour is actually quite rational in a historical context, including going to war with what became south korea in a attempt at unification, consider that the USSR, not the US where the ones who supported the domestic groups that arose as part of the resistance to Japanese occupation, the US actually rejected the natives to the point where they had to deal with a popular uprising in 1946 in part because the US initially wanted to keep the Japanese colonial structure intact, south korea was plagued by left-wing insurgencies from the start with upwards of 100.000 dying before the start of the Korean war.

    but all of this is moot, the US has no interest in descalating the conflict, thus assuring the current outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
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    4. leave them the fuck alone and start de-escalating hostilities while opening up trade.

    the Saudi's are respected members of the international community, i am sure that there is a place for a pseudo monarchy claiming to be a communist state.
    North Korea's objectives are to remain an isolated state playing other nations against each other, and conquering South Korea. They intend to accomplish the last one by using nuclear weapons to convince the US public that stopping North Korea will never be worth it, not even if they attack South Korea. North Korea isn't stupid enough to open up trade without limiting it to state sanctioned goods at the Chinese border only.
    North Korea's current isolation is driven by US sanctions and deployment of US forces to SK as part of the cold war, the regime, while never a nice place per-se, was a great deal more open back when the USSR was around.

    their disproportionate spending on their military is just as much because there is the better part of three US divisions sitting near their doorstep and the world's most powerful country has repeatedly threatened with the resumption of war the last almost 60 years years now, their fear of invasion drives their entire foreign and military policy for obvious reasons.

    regarding trade, your assumptions do not actually hold true.

    their behaviour is actually quite rational in a historical context, including going to war with what became south korea in a attempt at unification, consider that the USSR, not the US where the ones who supported the domestic groups that arose as part of the resistance to Japanese occupation, the US actually rejected the natives to the point where they had to deal with a popular uprising in 1946 in part because the US initially wanted to keep the Japanese colonial structure intact, south korea was plagued by left-wing insurgencies from the start with upwards of 100.000 dying before the start of the Korean war.

    but all of this is moot, the US has no interest in descalating the conflict, thus assuring the current outcome.
    You're putting the cart before the horse. This all circles back to a cycle of belligerence that began with Kim Il-Sung's invasion of the South in 1950, after things went south between the East and West and the Soviet Union and United States previously agreeing to divide responsibility for the liberated Korean Peninsula between the Soviets and United States along the 38th parallel at Yalta - with a lot of Communist Revolutionaries and a Chinese Civil War and Cultural Revolution helping to motivate an invasion.
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    You're putting the cart before the horse. This all circles back to a cycle of belligerence that began with Kim Il-Sung's invasion of the South in 1950, after things went south between the East and West and the Soviet Union and United States previously agreeing to divide responsibility for the liberated Korean Peninsula between the Soviets and United States along the 38th parallel at Yalta - with a lot of Communist Revolutionaries and a Chinese Civil War and Cultural Revolution helping to motivate an invasion.
    a belligerence in large part brought on by the conduct of the south Korean government itself, notable events include the Jeju Uprising, Yeosu–Suncheon rebellion

    indeed, at the time both sides viewed the division as a temporary measure and armed clashes on the border started as early as 1948, the primary reason we did not see a reversed scenario was that the US was reluctant to equip the south korean army.
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