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    "That Hawaii missile alert was no UI blunder. Someone really thought the islands were toast"

    The individual who sent an emergency text to everyone in Hawaii warning them of an imminent missile attack did not hit the wrong button as first claimed – and was actually convinced a real attack was happening.
    (well, probably)

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    That tends to happen when you say "This is not a drill" in your drill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparq View Post
    "That Hawaii missile alert was no UI blunder. Someone really thought the islands were toast"

    The individual who sent an emergency text to everyone in Hawaii warning them of an imminent missile attack did not hit the wrong button as first claimed – and was actually convinced a real attack was happening.
    (well, probably)


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    Quote Originally Posted by SAI Peregrinus View Post
    That tends to happen when you say "This is not a drill" in your drill.
    EXERCISE EXERCISE EXERCISE this is not a drill EXERCISE EXERCISE EXERCISE

    I wonder if this is an exercise or legit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparq View Post
    "That Hawaii missile alert was no UI blunder. Someone really thought the islands were toast"

    The individual who sent an emergency text to everyone in Hawaii warning them of an imminent missile attack did not hit the wrong button as first claimed – and was actually convinced a real attack was happening.
    (well, probably)
    Employee 1 has been a source of concern for the same SWP staff for over 10 years. Employee 1’s poor performance has been counseled and documented and the SWP members have stated that they are “not comfortable with Employee 1 as a supervisor, two-man team, or as a part of the SWP in general. He does not take initiative and has to be directed before he takes action. He is unable to comprehend the situation at hand and has confused real life events and drills on at least two separate occasions.
    Source: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...nts=1&start=40

    But that "Excercise! No, not really ... or is it? Who knows? It's not a drill! Haha, fooled ya right there: Excercise!" wasn't exactly helpful either.
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    As a civil servant I appreciate a good government cock up, but this really brings a tear to my eye. Fucking amazing stuff hawaii, I will never top that.
    She did what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparq View Post
    "That Hawaii missile alert was no UI blunder. Someone really thought the islands were toast"

    The individual who sent an emergency text to everyone in Hawaii warning them of an imminent missile attack did not hit the wrong button as first claimed – and was actually convinced a real attack was happening.
    (well, probably)
    Employee 1 has been a source of concern for the same SWP staff for over 10 years. Employee 1’s poor performance has been counseled and documented and the SWP members have stated that they are “not comfortable with Employee 1 as a supervisor, two-man team, or as a part of the SWP in general. He does not take initiative and has to be directed before he takes action. He is unable to comprehend the situation at hand and has confused real life events and drills on at least two separate occasions.
    Source: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...nts=1&start=40

    But that "Excercise! No, not really ... or is it? Who knows? It's not a drill! Haha, fooled ya right there: Excercise!" wasn't exactly helpful either.
    So you accidentally told a million people they are going to die: What next? Your essential guide...

    Analysis It's a common enough scenario: you are in charge of a critical piece of your company's computing infrastructure, and you make a simple mistake with far-reaching implications.

    It could be a mail server misdirecting internal documents into journalists' inboxes, or a poorly configured border firewall. Perhaps you accidentally changed access permissions to a shared drive. It all happened so quickly, one mouse click, and now you and your department are being inundated with people demanding to know what happened.

    What should you do? In the blur of such an event, it can be all too easy to make the wrong decisions, or even take the right actions but do them in the wrong order. When time is a critical factor, pressure can make it even harder to stay level headed.

    Which is why we are all lucky to have reports on precisely what happened at the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency (EMA) – which earlier this month texted more than a million people on the US islands that ballistic missiles were about to rain down on their heads.

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    If you get a mixed message like that, you assume the worst case scenario and send out a real warning.

    You are basically weighing up a risk to your job (in the instance its a drill) against the lives of the people who will get to shelter in time (in the instance it is real).

    He made the right call given the information sent to him and I hope he keeps his job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
    If you get a mixed message like that, you assume the worst case scenario and send out a real warning.

    You are basically weighing up a risk to your job (in the instance its a drill) against the lives of the people who will get to shelter in time (in the instance it is real).

    He made the right call given the information sent to him and I hope he keeps his job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theBlind View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
    If you get a mixed message like that, you assume the worst case scenario and send out a real warning.

    You are basically weighing up a risk to your job (in the instance its a drill) against the lives of the people who will get to shelter in time (in the instance it is real).

    He made the right call given the information sent to him and I hope he keeps his job.
    While I agree with you in general, in this case it seems like a real problem with that particular person. I encourage you guys to read that Ars article I linked above. If that's to be believed, that guy seems more like a disaster waiting to happen than a competent guy, carefully making decisions based on thoughts that Nicholai formulated above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
    If you get a mixed message like that, you assume the worst case scenario and send out a real warning.

    You are basically weighing up a risk to your job (in the instance its a drill) against the lives of the people who will get to shelter in time (in the instance it is real).

    He made the right call given the information sent to him and I hope he keeps his job.
    The thing is this isn't a person who is alone situation, he heard this warning in the same room as a group of people. The resolution to confusion or uncertainty is one question away. He not only didn't ask, but has a history of making mistakes and documented no confidence reviews from his coworkers. The question should be 'what barriers were in place to prevent him from being removed before this?' not a misplaced hand wringing over the poor guy losing a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenta View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
    If you get a mixed message like that, you assume the worst case scenario and send out a real warning.

    You are basically weighing up a risk to your job (in the instance its a drill) against the lives of the people who will get to shelter in time (in the instance it is real).

    He made the right call given the information sent to him and I hope he keeps his job.
    The thing is this isn't a person who is alone situation, he heard this warning in the same room as a group of people. The resolution to confusion or uncertainty is one question away. He not only didn't ask, but has a history of making mistakes and documented no confidence reviews from his coworkers. The question should be 'what barriers were in place to prevent him from being removed before this?' not a misplaced hand wringing over the poor guy losing a job.
    or, somebody higher up the corporate ladder is talking to the press planting these stories in an attempt to cover their own arse over a badly planned and managed exercise that went wrong.

    a "internal investigation" with a pre-determined outcome is hardly unheard of and the fact we're not hearing the other side of the story is a probable indication of legal action under-way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenta View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
    If you get a mixed message like that, you assume the worst case scenario and send out a real warning.

    You are basically weighing up a risk to your job (in the instance its a drill) against the lives of the people who will get to shelter in time (in the instance it is real).

    He made the right call given the information sent to him and I hope he keeps his job.
    The thing is this isn't a person who is alone situation, he heard this warning in the same room as a group of people. The resolution to confusion or uncertainty is one question away. He not only didn't ask, but has a history of making mistakes and documented no confidence reviews from his coworkers. The question should be 'what barriers were in place to prevent him from being removed before this?' not a misplaced hand wringing over the poor guy losing a job.
    or, somebody higher up the corporate ladder is talking to the press planting these stories in an attempt to cover their own arse over a badly planned and managed exercise that went wrong.

    a "internal investigation" with a pre-determined outcome is hardly unheard of and the fact we're not hearing the other side of the story is a probable indication of legal action under-way.
    Ah yes, the everything is a horrible conspiracy approach. This came out after the cover your ass press releases. They had everything packaged and already started public delivery the message that everything was to blame on the alert software and how easy it was to send the wrong alert and forgotten passwords for the delay in rescinding the alert. Kudo's to the guy that made the mistake for being honest during the internal review I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenta View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
    If you get a mixed message like that, you assume the worst case scenario and send out a real warning.

    You are basically weighing up a risk to your job (in the instance its a drill) against the lives of the people who will get to shelter in time (in the instance it is real).

    He made the right call given the information sent to him and I hope he keeps his job.
    The thing is this isn't a person who is alone situation, he heard this warning in the same room as a group of people. The resolution to confusion or uncertainty is one question away. He not only didn't ask, but has a history of making mistakes and documented no confidence reviews from his coworkers. The question should be 'what barriers were in place to prevent him from being removed before this?' not a misplaced hand wringing over the poor guy losing a job.
    or, somebody higher up the corporate ladder
    I'm going to stop you right there. It's the Hawaii government. Not a corporation. That's not actually how it works.
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