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    Tbh if we get throe the Trump presidency without nuclear Armageddon ill chalk that up as a win.

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world/asia

    Korean leaders meet in surprising summit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world/asia

    Korean leaders meet in surprising summit
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44265287

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world/asia

    Korean leaders meet in surprising summit
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44265287

    fixed link for you
    5d chess in action.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruri View Post
    America's reputation is circling the drain
    This was already the case since Trump won the election, everything after that has just been additional confirmation and great source of amusement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarnca View Post
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    copy-pasta

      Spoiler:
    INGAPORE — At an island resort off the coast of Singapore, U.S. event planners are working day and night with their North Korean counterparts to set up a summit designed to bring an end to Pyongyang’s nuclear weapons program.

    When it comes to paying for lodging at North Korea’s preferred five-star luxury hotel, the United States is open to covering the costs, the two people said, but it’s mindful that Pyongyang may view a U.S. payment as insulting. As a result, U.S. planners are considering asking Singapore, the host country, to pay for the North Korean delegation’s bill.

    But a particularly awkward logistical issue remains unresolved, according to two people familiar with the talks. Who’s going to pay for Kim Jong Un’s hotel stay?

    The prideful but cash-poor pariah state requires that a foreign country foot the bill at its preferred lodging: the Fullerton, a magnificent neoclassical hotel near the mouth of the Singapore River, where just one presidential suite costs more than $6,000 per night.

    The mundane but diplomatically fraught billing issue is just one of numerous logistical concerns being hammered out between two teams led by White House Deputy Chief of Staff Joe Hagin and Kim’s de facto chief of staff, Kim Chang Son, as they strive toward a June 12 meeting.

    State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert on Saturday did not rule out the possibility that the United States would arrange for Singapore’s government to pay for the North Korean delegation’s accommodations, but said the United States “is not paying the costs of accommodations in Singapore for the DPRK delegation.”

    The heavily sanctioned and isolated regime has a long history of making bold monetary demands.
    Figuring out how to pay Pyongyang’s hotel tab will not be the only unusual planning obstacle that comes with hosting an event with the isolated regime. The country’s outdated and underused Soviet-era aircraft may require a landing in China because of concerns it won’t make the 3,000-mile trip — a visit that would probably require a plausible cover story to avoid embarrassment. Alternatively, the North Koreans might travel in a plane provided by another country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarnca View Post
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    NK: We refuse to pay for our own hotels, host countries must pay.
    US: Well it's in Singapore but we'll pay.
    NK: HOW DARE YOU INSULT US? DO YOU THINK WE'RE POOR?!
    US: ... Uh, hey Singapore, can you pay?

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    Just get South Korea to pay since they are so chummy.

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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...-idUSKCN1IZ0XY

    North Korea's top three military officials replaced, U.S. official says

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - North Korea’s top three military officials have been removed from their posts, a senior U.S. official said on Sunday, as U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un prepare to meet on June 12 in Singapore.

    The U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, was commenting on a report by South Korea’s Yonhap news agency that all three of the North’s top military officials were believed to have been replaced.

    Trump on Friday revived the summit after canceling it a week earlier. The United States is seeking a negotiated end to North Korea’s nuclear weapons program.

    U.S. officials believe there was some dissension in the military about Kim’s approaches to South Korea and the United States.

    The U.S. official did not identify the three military officials. Yonhap identified them as defense chief Pak Yong Sik; Ri Myong Su, chief of the Korean People’s Army’s (KPA) general staff; and Kim Jong Gak, director of the KPA’s General Political Bureau.

    Trump wants North Korea to “denuclearize,” meaning to get rid of its nuclear arsenal, in return for relief from economic sanctions. North Korea’s leadership is believed to regard nuclear weapons as crucial to its survival.

    Citing an unnamed intelligence official, Yonhap said No Kwang Chol, first vice minister of the Ministry of People’s Armed Forces, had replaced Pak Yong Sik as defense chief, while Ri Myong Su was replaced by his deputy, Ri Yong Gil.

    The White House, State Department, CIA and Office of the Director of National Intelligence did not immediately respond to requests for official comment.

    South Korea’s unification and defense ministries declined to confirm the report, while an official at the Unification Ministry said the government was watching the leadership situation in the North very closely.

    All of the newly promoted officials are younger than their predecessors, according to Yonhap, especially Ri Yong Gil, 63, who is 21 years younger than Ri Myong Su.

    “This points to two things: the consolidation of Kim Jong Un’s power as the sole leader of North Korea and strengthened cooperation between the North’s party and military as the country works towards further economic development,” said Yang Moo-jin, professor at the University of North Korean Studies in Seoul.

    “They’re all young but capable people,” Yang added.

    Army General Kim Su Gil’s replacement of Kim Jong Gak as director of the KPA’s General Political Bureau was confirmed in a North Korean state media report last month when Kim Su Gil accompanied North Korea’s Kim Jong Un on a field guidance trip to a beach tourist zone with other officials.

    Lower-level U.S.-North Korean talks to prepare for the summit are continuing but have made only “halting progress,” according to a second U.S. official briefed on the discussions.

    That official said U.S. negotiators’ efforts to press for definitions of immediate, comprehensive, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization by North Korea had run into opposition from the White House.

    In a remarkable shift in tone eight days after canceling the summit, citing Pyongyang’s “open hostility,” Trump welcomed North Korea’s former intelligence chief, Kim Yong Chol, to the White House on Friday, afterward exchanging smiles and handshakes.

    (This version of the story has been refiled to fix typographical error in spelling of analyst’s name in paragraph 11)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ruri View Post
    America's reputation is circling the drain
    This was already the case since Trump won the election, everything after that has just been additional confirmation and great source of amusement.
    To be fair its been slowly moving that way for quite a bit longer than that, its just the election kinda kicked it in to high gear.
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    The cynic in me says sanctions on NK will end and in 3 months we will see Trump Tower Pyongyang.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    The cynic in me says sanctions on NK will end and in 3 months we will see Trump Tower Pyongyang.....
    Nah. Trump's lawyers are probably too canny for that. It will be an Ivanka/Melania branded exclusive deal on clothing the instant sanctions end. The tower will take a couple of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glyken Touchon View Post
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    The cynic in me says sanctions on NK will end and in 3 months we will see Trump Tower Pyongyang.....
    Nah. Trump's lawyers are probably too canny for that. It will be an Ivanka/Melania branded exclusive deal on clothing the instant sanctions end. The tower will take a couple of years.
    North Korea has one hell of a slave labour market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glyken Touchon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    The cynic in me says sanctions on NK will end and in 3 months we will see Trump Tower Pyongyang.....
    Nah. Trump's lawyers are probably too canny for that. It will be an Ivanka/Melania branded exclusive deal on clothing the instant sanctions end. The tower will take a couple of years.

    No they arent...
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    And her name was Limul Azgoden, a lowly peasant girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenta View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glyken Touchon View Post
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    The cynic in me says sanctions on NK will end and in 3 months we will see Trump Tower Pyongyang.....
    Nah. Trump's lawyers are probably too canny for that. It will be an Ivanka/Melania branded exclusive deal on clothing the instant sanctions end. The tower will take a couple of years.
    North Korea has one hell of a slave labour market.
    Yeah just ask Samsung.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana Torrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glyken Touchon View Post
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    The cynic in me says sanctions on NK will end and in 3 months we will see Trump Tower Pyongyang.....
    Nah. Trump's lawyers are probably too canny for that. It will be an Ivanka/Melania branded exclusive deal on clothing the instant sanctions end. The tower will take a couple of years.

    No they arent...
    You're not wrong. Rudi stepped hard on his own dick the other day just by blasting out the message Kim begged 'on hands and knees' for the summit. He's been clobbering his meat like that ever since Donal put him on retainer. The rest aren't much better.

    My favorite American Moment these past few days was Fox & Friends accidentally referring to Kim & Donal as "the two dictators" live on air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana Torrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ruri View Post
    America's reputation is circling the drain
    This was already the case since Trump won the election, everything after that has just been additional confirmation and great source of amusement.
    To be fair its been slowly moving that way for quite a bit longer than that, its just the election kinda kicked it in to high gear.
    To be fair, I can't quite decide whether Trump is an absolute lunatic, a cunning strategist or both. If I squint I can see method in his madness that is quite clever; he's doing his very best to knock the economies of the EU, Canada, Mexico and China off balance, all places he neither likes because they're either too liberal (the EU), too close (Canada), too poor (Mexico) or too powerful (China). All of the above could, in a certain skewed light, be seen as threats to America's world dominance. Additionally, the very weird but not totally unthinkable new relationships between the US, Israel, the UAE and Saudi Arabia in combatting Iranian influence is also a big change. I can his big buddy approach to Russia in the light that having Russia as a friend puts pressure on Europe and draws it away from China. And finally, his big bromance with NK is undoubtedly making China very, very wary, as NK was a permanent fixture in China's policy of making the US keep large amounts of money and armed forces invested in South Korea.

    The US economy is doing brilliantly at the moment, so maybe there's some support for that idea, although I think it has little to do with Trump. I think Trump's trade tariffs on the EU, Canada, Mexico and China will probably hurt the US economy in the long run, as the they are America's largest markets by far and if forced to do so, they could retaliate against sectors of the American economy that are very successful, like Information Technology (read Google, Apple and Microsoft and other tech giants) even though that would hurt their own economies in the short run. Or, against American weapon and aircraft manufacturers, which would hurt the US badly.

    Trump's anti-China jihad is also a bit like fighting a tidal wave. China has the resources and the money to continue to grow in areas where America has very little financial influence, like South America and Africa, and Chinese control of the South China Sea and Taiwan are foregone conclusions, I think. It's more a question of when than if. The US might risk a small scale shooting war with the Chinese under the current gung-ho attitude of Trumpism, if they think it can remain contained and which they think they might prevail, but I think China's political, financial and military power are already so great that the US might eventually be forced from the region entirely.

    On top of which, the Chinese are anything but dumb. They can play the strategic game just as well as Trump can, for example by making overtures to India which they are currently doing, bankrolling huge international infrastructure projects in places which have none (Africa, Central Asia), which they are also doing, and which give Iran a market for its oil in exchange for Chinese technology and weapons, or possibly even extending their influence to Mexico.

    Where this leaves us in Europe and Canada, I don't know. Probably not in a good place, I think.
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