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    Germany spent up to this date 2000 billion euro on it, increasing by 100 billion each year.
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosten...tschen_Einheit
    (No English article on that)
    I don't speak German, but I gather that is the cost for post-wall unification, not the post WW2 aid packages to which I was referring.
    Yeah but you wanted to have that paid to Russia after the end of Cold War, right?

    Also you do realize that looking at the numbers for Germany, $100b is but a pittance, right?
    I'm saying that there are things that could have been done better when the time came for Russia to move towards democracy. And one of those things would have been to take a Marshall plan approach instead of a Versailles treaty approach.

    If you want to argue that the Window of Opportunity plan that called for USD 100 billion wouldn't have been enough then sure we can talk about that. We'll never know because it didn't happen, but either way it's not exactly comparable to the reunification of Germany. And you can shout large numbers until you're blue in the face about it.

    Turning Saturn into an amusement park destination would make the reunification of Germany but a pittance anyway.
    Fair enough, there's nothing I disagree with. I just wanted to point out the amount of money needed before people go "What, only 100b? Why didn't we do that?"

    Also I'd like to point out that South Korea doesn't want to unify because they expect a much heavier bill than we're still paying.
    What? IIRC south korea wants to unify and has plans just for that occasion. They know it will cost them plenty tho.


    

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    Germany spent up to this date 2000 billion euro on it, increasing by 100 billion each year.
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosten...tschen_Einheit
    (No English article on that)
    I don't speak German, but I gather that is the cost for post-wall unification, not the post WW2 aid packages to which I was referring.
    Yeah but you wanted to have that paid to Russia after the end of Cold War, right?

    Also you do realize that looking at the numbers for Germany, $100b is but a pittance, right?
    I'm saying that there are things that could have been done better when the time came for Russia to move towards democracy. And one of those things would have been to take a Marshall plan approach instead of a Versailles treaty approach.

    If you want to argue that the Window of Opportunity plan that called for USD 100 billion wouldn't have been enough then sure we can talk about that. We'll never know because it didn't happen, but either way it's not exactly comparable to the reunification of Germany. And you can shout large numbers until you're blue in the face about it.

    Turning Saturn into an amusement park destination would make the reunification of Germany but a pittance anyway.
    Fair enough, there's nothing I disagree with. I just wanted to point out the amount of money needed before people go "What, only 100b? Why didn't we do that?"

    Also I'd like to point out that South Korea doesn't want to unify because they expect a much heavier bill than we're still paying.
    What? IIRC south korea wants to unify and has plans just for that occasion. They know it will cost them plenty tho.
    NK still has a generation or more to go for that tbh.
    And only if this nuclear thing is indeed going to relax the conventional military spending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeekar View Post
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    Germany spent up to this date 2000 billion euro on it, increasing by 100 billion each year.
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosten...tschen_Einheit
    (No English article on that)
    I don't speak German, but I gather that is the cost for post-wall unification, not the post WW2 aid packages to which I was referring.
    Yeah but you wanted to have that paid to Russia after the end of Cold War, right?

    Also you do realize that looking at the numbers for Germany, $100b is but a pittance, right?
    I'm saying that there are things that could have been done better when the time came for Russia to move towards democracy. And one of those things would have been to take a Marshall plan approach instead of a Versailles treaty approach.

    If you want to argue that the Window of Opportunity plan that called for USD 100 billion wouldn't have been enough then sure we can talk about that. We'll never know because it didn't happen, but either way it's not exactly comparable to the reunification of Germany. And you can shout large numbers until you're blue in the face about it.

    Turning Saturn into an amusement park destination would make the reunification of Germany but a pittance anyway.
    Fair enough, there's nothing I disagree with. I just wanted to point out the amount of money needed before people go "What, only 100b? Why didn't we do that?"

    Also I'd like to point out that South Korea doesn't want to unify because they expect a much heavier bill than we're still paying.
    What? IIRC south korea wants to unify and has plans just for that occasion. They know it will cost them plenty tho.
    Your recollection is faulty.

    They looked at the numbers and know that they can't afford a German style fast paced reunification.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_reunification

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    Eventual political integration of the Koreas under a democratic government from the South is generally viewed as inevitable by the U.S. and South Korea.
    younger people however as stated in the article see things differently because it costs too much €


    

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    China would hate any attempt at reunification - NK serves as a good buffer zone.

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    Aye, the Chinese don't want a close US ally right next door, like China having a military alliance with Mexico. Yeah nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    China would hate any attempt at reunification - NK serves as a good buffer zone.
    Well USA still has Japan, South Korea and Taiwan keeping a close eye.

    A nice alternative would be Burma. I don't think many will object to destroying the Burmese junta to protect the Rohinya from murder and devastation.
    Might have to put Aung San Suu Kyi back under house arrest though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meester View Post
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    China would hate any attempt at reunification - NK serves as a good buffer zone.
    Well USA still has Japan, South Korea and Taiwan keeping a close eye.

    A nice alternative would be Burma. I don't think many will object to destroying the Burmese junta to protect the Rohinya from murder and devastation.
    Might have to put Aung San Suu Kyi back under house arrest though.
    I used to crow about the fact that she went to my uni, now, erm, well yeh....

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    Quote Originally Posted by spitroast View Post
    Aye, the Chinese don't want a close US ally right next door, like China having a military alliance with Mexico. Yeah nope.
    Maybe SK could stop being an american satellite first? One can dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
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    Aye, the Chinese don't want a close US ally right next door, like China having a military alliance with Mexico. Yeah nope.
    Maybe SK could stop being an american satellite first? One can dream.
    I think Trump is dreaming the same dream...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana Torrin View Post
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    Aye, the Chinese don't want a close US ally right next door, like China having a military alliance with Mexico. Yeah nope.
    Maybe SK could stop being an american satellite first? One can dream.
    I think Trump is dreaming the same dream...
    A powerhouse like SK will never be independent but China picking it up seems straight up fantasy.
    They could snuggle with Japan but it's so deep in american ass...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
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    Aye, the Chinese don't want a close US ally right next door, like China having a military alliance with Mexico. Yeah nope.
    Maybe SK could stop being an american satellite first? One can dream.
    I think Trump is dreaming the same dream...
    A powerhouse like SK will never be independent but China picking it up seems straight up fantasy.
    They could snuggle with Japan but it's so deep in american ass...
    SKorea snuggling worth Japan would take a significant case of realpolitk to achieve. I'd wager on the scale of "imminent invasion by China" at the least. After all Japanese warcrimes are only just facing from living memory and that generations direct descendants are still around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
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    Aye, the Chinese don't want a close US ally right next door, like China having a military alliance with Mexico. Yeah nope.
    Maybe SK could stop being an american satellite first? One can dream.
    You support the reunification of Korea under the Seoul government?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meester View Post
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    Aye, the Chinese don't want a close US ally right next door, like China having a military alliance with Mexico. Yeah nope.
    Maybe SK could stop being an american satellite first? One can dream.
    You support the reunification of Korea under the Seoul government?
    50/50, i'm an idealist

    but yeah if we can't have that Seoul would do

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    North Korea fired another missile over Japan.

    Around 2 hours ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theBlind View Post
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    Aye, the Chinese don't want a close US ally right next door, like China having a military alliance with Mexico. Yeah nope.
    Maybe SK could stop being an american satellite first? One can dream.
    I think Trump is dreaming the same dream...
    A powerhouse like SK will never be independent but China picking it up seems straight up fantasy.
    They could snuggle with Japan but it's so deep in american ass...
    SKorea snuggling worth Japan would take a significant case of realpolitk to achieve. I'd wager on the scale of "imminent invasion by China" at the least. After all Japanese warcrimes are only just facing from living memory and that generations direct descendants are still around.
    Thats almost an understatement, and its not just WW2. Japan has been shitting on Korea for the past 500 years or so.

    Noone hates asians like other asians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilalaunebör View Post
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    Aye, the Chinese don't want a close US ally right next door, like China having a military alliance with Mexico. Yeah nope.
    Maybe SK could stop being an american satellite first? One can dream.
    I think Trump is dreaming the same dream...
    A powerhouse like SK will never be independent but China picking it up seems straight up fantasy.
    They could snuggle with Japan but it's so deep in american ass...
    SKorea snuggling worth Japan would take a significant case of realpolitk to achieve. I'd wager on the scale of "imminent invasion by China" at the least. After all Japanese warcrimes are only just facing from living memory and that generations direct descendants are still around.
    Thats almost an understatement, and its not just WW2. Japan has been shitting on Korea for the past 500 years or so.

    Noone hates asians like other asians.
    But I thought racism was invented by white people?
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    no m8 it's just blacks that can't be racist, get with the program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
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    Aye, the Chinese don't want a close US ally right next door, like China having a military alliance with Mexico. Yeah nope.
    Maybe SK could stop being an american satellite first? One can dream.
    I think Trump is dreaming the same dream...
    A powerhouse like SK will never be independent but China picking it up seems straight up fantasy.
    They could snuggle with Japan but it's so deep in american ass...
    SKorea snuggling worth Japan would take a significant case of realpolitk to achieve. I'd wager on the scale of "imminent invasion by China" at the least. After all Japanese warcrimes are only just facing from living memory and that generations direct descendants are still around.
    Thats almost an understatement, and its not just WW2. Japan has been shitting on Korea for the past 500 years or so.

    Noone hates asians like other asians.
    But I thought racism was invented by white people?
    But I thought you were just a low effort cunt, wait, you are!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
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    I'm not sure hurting trade with China will be a bad thing.
    oh boy
    care to explain ?
    Sure, it's bait - I'll bite anyhow.

    China is basically the workshop of the western world - all those neat gadgets we western do love so truely, have components produced in China. And I don't think the west has enough factories, which he could spin up as a replacement that quick. Same goes for shifting to suppliers in other countries.

    This, dear kids, is the result of the capitalist invention of JIT supply: who needs a well-thoughout storage and supply management, if one can outsource that (costs) all to the suppliers? And the best thing about that: if you run out of supplies for your products, you even can blame others for your own faults!

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