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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
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    Their air raid alarm is really awfull
    There's actually a reason for it being horrible, it being horrible causes you to notice it. It is relatively easy for our brain to block out repetitive noises, even things as loud and obnoxious as air raid sirens. There are new tornado sirens in Chicago that are designed not to be loud, but to be deeply unsettling.



    shit is fucking freaky
    Yes! In fact, this past July there was a good article on the BBC about this kind of applied neuroscience being used to augment public health announcements in Malawi.

    "The brain-hacking sound that's impossible to ignore"



    Regarding those Tornado sirens, is it weird that I want that as a ring-tone?

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    http://www.38north.org/2017/08/melleman083017/

    North Korea’s Hwasong-12 Launch: A Disturbing Development

    By: Michael Elleman
    August 30, 2017 | WMD

    While North Korea’s missile test on August 28, reportedly of the intermediate range Hwasong-12 (KN-17), broke up into three pieces during flight only flying 2,700 kilometers—far short of its 4,000 kilometer range—the launch was a disturbing development in Pyongyang’s continuing program to develop long-range missiles.

    Why Fly Over Japan?

    The test launch had two primary objectives. First, Kim Jong Un likely sought to take measure of the international community’s response to the overflight of Japanese territory. Though North Korea twice before attempted to launch a satellite using a flight path that passed over Japan, the Hwasong-12 is the first ballistic missile to overfly the island nation. If the US response to the test firing is judged to be mild by Pyongyang, North Korea may feel that future flights will be similarly accepted by Washington and its regional allies.

    Second, the flight was likely intended to evaluate the missile’s performance and reliability under operational conditions. Before the Hwasong-12 and the intercontinental range Hwasong-14 can be deployed, engineers must demonstrate that they work reliably when flown to maximum range. To date, the two missiles have been launched on steep flight paths that reach high altitudes, ensuring that the mock warheads land in the sea just short of Japan. Much can be learned from the tests, but full-range flights replicating the conditions a combat-capable missile would experience are needed. This flight begins to address that requirement.

    Is North Korea Testing a Post-Boost Vehicle (PBV)?

    The most recent Hwasong-12 flight ended with the mock warhead landing in the Pacific Ocean about 2,700 km from the launch site, well short of its maximum range. North Korean engineers may have shut the Hwasong-12’s engine down early, resulting in a shorter flight. Turning off the engine roughly five seconds early would yield a range and apogee matching the reported values. Or the payload mass of the first test may have been considerably lighter than that of North Korea’s nuclear warhead, allowing the missile to achieve a much higher altitude, thus exaggerating the derived maximum range when the missile is flown on a standard flight path. For example, if the May flight carried a payload of 250 kg, and the most recent test fitted the Hwasong-12 with a 1,250-kg package, the range is reduced to about 2,700 km, with a peak altitude of roughly 550 km. Finally, the Hwasong-12 may have been flown on a non-optimal trajectory, one that was steeper or flatter than a normal flight path employed to maximize achievable range. However, the reported apogee of the Hwasong-12 flight is inconsistent with this explanation.

    An alternative disturbing hypothesis is that tests of the missile have included a small post-boost vehicle (PBV) to provide extra boost to the payload after the main stage is discarded. The May 14 test of the Hwasong-12 was previously modeled, but could not replicate the flight’s reported apogee and range, without the addition of a small PBV. The increased velocity provided by the PBV allows the payload to reach an apogee of 2,000 km and travel about 700 km in range. The hypothesis is consistent with observations made by others, including Norbert Brugge, who identified the existence of fuelling ports located just under the Hwasong-12’s reentry vehicle.

    There are logical reasons for employing a PBV. In addition to boosting range, it can be used to make fine adjustments to payload’s velocity after engine shut-down. ICBMs fielded by the US, Russia, France and China all employ PBVs to achieve better accuracy. PBVs also provide a platform to carry a warhead, plus lightweight decoys or other penetration aids capable of impairing effectiveness against missile defensmoes.

    The presence of a PBV on the Hwasong-12 is just a hypothesis for now, although reports that the missile “broke into three pieces” are consistent with PBV engine failure. As the PBV separates from the main booster, its engine should activate and accelerate the reentry vehicle to the pre-defined velocity. If the PBV’s engine fails to initiate, and the reentry vehicle separates from the PBV, all three components (main booster, PBV and warhead) follow an approximately similar trajectory. To a distant radar, the missile appears to separate into three disparate pieces at the end of boost for no obvious reason. Without the added velocity provided by a properly functioning PBV, the reentry vehicle along with the main stage and PBV, land in the ocean 2,700 km from the launch site—well short of the missile’s maximum range. In other words, the dead weight of the non-functioning PBV, if it was fully fuelled, is equivalent to launching the missile with a 1,200 to 1,300 kg payload, as described above.

    While it is impossible to know with certainty why the most recent test flew only 2,700 km, if it was the result of a failed PBV, its use on North Korea’s long-range missiles is ominous. It is another sign that Pyongyang is deadly serious about developing and fielding nuclear-tipped missiles capable of striking the US mainland, and critical US military bases in the Pacific Ocean. North Korea has much work remaining—perhaps a year or two—before it matures the technologies and systems needed to credibly threaten the US.

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    The clock is moving closer to midnight again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebomby View Post
    The clock is moving closer to midnight again.
    Stop being a fucking tart, it's not. Climate change is a bigger threat to the world than the Norks. They've been all but disowned by China who have shitty nuke capability amongst themselves.

    Worst case scenario...

    New entertainment hardware is more expensive for a few months.
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    It's going to come down to us or them, with them being South Korea.....

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    And when Seoul gets blazed mutti Merkel will offer some welfare migrants to replace the lost workers and everything will be fine


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    Quote Originally Posted by spitroast View Post
    It's going to come down to us or them, with them being South Korea.....
    There is an out that protects South Korea while disarming the North - unfortunately it happens to be horrifying. A multi-hundred warhead first strike to destroy military bases, border artillery, and missile sites via high altitude airbursts to reduce fallout to negligible levels and maximize the area of overpressure. Guesstimated total yield to use, ~30 to 80 megatons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evelgrivion View Post
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    It's going to come down to us or them, with them being South Korea.....
    There is an out that protects South Korea while disarming the North - unfortunately it happens to be horrifying. A multi-hundred warhead first strike to destroy military bases, border artillery, and missile sites via high altitude airbursts to reduce fallout to negligible levels and maximize the area of overpressure. Guesstimated total yield to use, ~30 to 80 megatons.
    30 million dead?

    Eit: oh only 25 mill in north, so 15 mill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
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    It's going to come down to us or them, with them being South Korea.....
    There is an out that protects South Korea while disarming the North - unfortunately it happens to be horrifying. A multi-hundred warhead first strike to destroy military bases, border artillery, and missile sites via high altitude airbursts to reduce fallout to negligible levels and maximize the area of overpressure. Guesstimated total yield to use, ~30 to 80 megatons.
    30 million dead?

    Eit: oh only 25 mill in north, so 15 mill?
    Did you ever wonder why Mattis and Tillerson would go out of their way to say that the scope of fatalities of a war with North Korea would be at a level unseen since World War 2, and unbelievably tragic on an unbelievable scale?

    If the only feasible approach is a nuclear strike, there's still a bit of time left to run down on that clock.
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    Wouldn't it be easier to track fat kim and just drone him some time when there's plausible deniability. Say, close to something that could go up in flames, and coincidentally does. He's got to be followed by half the satellites in orbit, I'd wager his whereabouts to be pretty well known...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankunytjatjara View Post
    Wouldn't it be easier to track fat kim and just drone him some time when there's plausible deniability. Say, close to something that could go up in flames, and coincidentally does. He's got to be followed by half the satellites in orbit, I'd wager his whereabouts to be pretty well known...
    But what's the follow up to that? You've just created a power vacuum in an already unstable state that indoctrinates their population to see the person you've just killed as godlike. And for all we know, as ridiculous as it may sound, fatty Kim may well be a calming factor in a madhouse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theBlind View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yankunytjatjara View Post
    Wouldn't it be easier to track fat kim and just drone him some time when there's plausible deniability. Say, close to something that could go up in flames, and coincidentally does. He's got to be followed by half the satellites in orbit, I'd wager his whereabouts to be pretty well known...
    But what's the follow up to that? You've just created a power vacuum in an already unstable state that indoctrinates their population to see the person you've just killed as godlike. And for all we know, as ridiculous as it may sound, fatty Kim may well be a calming factor in a madhouse.
    Follow up: if the next dictator is also building nukes, repeat.
    Else, dictator enjoys his all girls guard.
    Too subtle? From time to time, drone deliver some memo. Like a "boom ur dead ror" letter.

    Get all their rocket engineers to go work for Samsung. Well, or NASA, they're managing to build 2 stage missiles in a stone age country after all - and the states have a knack for exploiting dictators' rocket scientists...
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    Quote Originally Posted by theBlind View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yankunytjatjara View Post
    Wouldn't it be easier to track fat kim and just drone him some time when there's plausible deniability. Say, close to something that could go up in flames, and coincidentally does. He's got to be followed by half the satellites in orbit, I'd wager his whereabouts to be pretty well known...
    But what's the follow up to that? You've just created a power vacuum in an already unstable state that indoctrinates their population to see the person you've just killed as godlike. And for all we know, as ridiculous as it may sound, fatty Kim may well be a calming factor in a madhouse.
    just drone him and then send an nice clear letter to his generals that we can and will find the next one who fills his shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarabando View Post
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    Wouldn't it be easier to track fat kim and just drone him some time when there's plausible deniability. Say, close to something that could go up in flames, and coincidentally does. He's got to be followed by half the satellites in orbit, I'd wager his whereabouts to be pretty well known...
    But what's the follow up to that? You've just created a power vacuum in an already unstable state that indoctrinates their population to see the person you've just killed as godlike. And for all we know, as ridiculous as it may sound, fatty Kim may well be a calming factor in a madhouse.
    just drone him and then send an nice clear letter to his generals that we can and will find the next one who fills his shoes.
    New leader every week?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarnca View Post
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    Wouldn't it be easier to track fat kim and just drone him some time when there's plausible deniability. Say, close to something that could go up in flames, and coincidentally does. He's got to be followed by half the satellites in orbit, I'd wager his whereabouts to be pretty well known...
    But what's the follow up to that? You've just created a power vacuum in an already unstable state that indoctrinates their population to see the person you've just killed as godlike. And for all we know, as ridiculous as it may sound, fatty Kim may well be a calming factor in a madhouse.
    just drone him and then send an nice clear letter to his generals that we can and will find the next one who fills his shoes.
    New leader every week?
    they have like 19 MOABs that are due to go out of date by the end of the year ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarabando View Post
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    Wouldn't it be easier to track fat kim and just drone him some time when there's plausible deniability. Say, close to something that could go up in flames, and coincidentally does. He's got to be followed by half the satellites in orbit, I'd wager his whereabouts to be pretty well known...
    But what's the follow up to that? You've just created a power vacuum in an already unstable state that indoctrinates their population to see the person you've just killed as godlike. And for all we know, as ridiculous as it may sound, fatty Kim may well be a calming factor in a madhouse.
    just drone him and then send an nice clear letter to his generals that we can and will find the next one who fills his shoes.
    New leader every week?
    they have like 19 MOABs that are due to go out of date by the end of the year ....
    But they have to be dropped from shitty slow old planes which NK would easily shoot down. Tomahawks will have to do


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarnca View Post

    But they have to be dropped from shitty slow old planes which NK would easily shoot down. Tomahawks will have to do
    Wait a minute. This is easily one of the most stressful things in eve i have do.

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    nice article about assassinating Kim Jong-Un: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/06/...l-kim-jung-un/

    I especially like:
    But all the missiles and special operators are useless unless they have good intelligence to guide them to a leader’s location. Getting that kind of sensitive information in a hard target like North Korea can be a quixotic quest, but that hasn’t dimmed the appetite for the enterprise, says Jeffrey Lewis, the director of the East Asia nonproliferation program at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies. “Although it never really works, military and political leaders are always drawn to decapitation. It’s catnip for idiots.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarabando View Post
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    Wouldn't it be easier to track fat kim and just drone him some time when there's plausible deniability. Say, close to something that could go up in flames, and coincidentally does. He's got to be followed by half the satellites in orbit, I'd wager his whereabouts to be pretty well known...
    But what's the follow up to that? You've just created a power vacuum in an already unstable state that indoctrinates their population to see the person you've just killed as godlike. And for all we know, as ridiculous as it may sound, fatty Kim may well be a calming factor in a madhouse.
    just drone him and then send an nice clear letter to his generals that we can and will find the next one who fills his shoes.
    So shatter an erratic but heavily armed regime, ensure there's no followup plan and watch liberal democracy blossom all by itself?

    I believe that's been tried before, only this time there really are WMD in play.

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