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    I like your units of measurement m8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoffl View Post
    I like your units of measurement m8

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    I used the stairmaster thingy at the gym today and tbh i was not feeling comfortable on it i could feel it shifting in a bad way its one of the worst things about being a fatty living up to this stereotype of breaking chairs etc/

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarabando View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stoffl View Post
    I like your units of measurement m8

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    I used the stairmaster thingy at the gym today and tbh i was not feeling comfortable on it i could feel it shifting in a bad way its one of the worst things about being a fatty living up to this stereotype of breaking chairs etc/
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    I'ma bamp this thread since I was just getting started with lowcarbing when it began, but I've learned so much since then and wanted to share.

    The summary of my experience is this: lifelong fatty, peaking 3 years ago at 137kg/302lb, chronic chest pains, difficulty breathing, difficulty moving. Easter 2015 I decided that in spite of all my issues I would try walking to work again. Did that for 6 months, lost 5kg during that time. This was pretty much what always happened whenever I tried any kind of exercise; I'd lose a token amount only, and ultimately give up because the effort wasn't worth the results. But it was still better than dieting, where simply cutting calories was never sustainable for me because I was permahungry. And if being permahungry was to be a normal part of life, then perhaps death wouldn't be so bad after all; I probably wasn't too far away anyway, given the state I was in at that time.

    But it did lead me to make a gym appointment for the first time in my life. To my surprise though, the guy there refused to sign me up, and sent me away with instructions to follow a low carb diet instead. After years of media beat-up about how "Atkins is a fad", "saturated fat is the devil" etc, then suddenly being told to do exactly that, I was confused and furious as fuck. Eventually I decided that the only way I could prove this guy wrong was to try it. And bugger me, it worked better than I ever could have dreamed.

    In the 15 months from October 2015 to December 2016, I lost another 50kg/111lb to reach my goal of 82kg/180lb. My appetite naturally corrected itself in the first few months, so I never went hungry at all. 2017 was my first year of maintenance, which lasted for about 8 months, before carb creep (+5kg) + new less friendly scales (+3kg) saw me climb to 90kg/199lb last Christmas. I've since reset back to full-on keto this year plus the introduction of 16:8 intermittent fasting and am so far back to 87.5kg/193lb. The clear personal lesson for me being that I remain insulin-resistant/carb-intolerant even now, so I intend to stay eating this way for the rest of my life.

    These days my diet consists typically of meat and veges (no root veges) for lunch and dinner. I used to have eggs for breakfast but now that I'm skipping breakfast with the IF, they're now my variety option for when I don't feel like prepping a full meal, which is usually on weekends. It's all mostly just real food, but I will also eat certain processed foods with a sufficiently low carb count, like spam for example. Yes I had a problem with food variety at first, but I have enough options now for different meals every day of the week, so it's not so bad now.

    Now, at no point have I ever claimed that lowcarb is the only solution everyone needs, because that's clearly not the case. If CICO didn't at least have some merit, there would be no such thing as Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig etc. But for those of us for whom CICO cannot work because our metabolism is sufficiently messed up to prevent it from working, I will say based on my own experience that lowcarb is both effective and sustainable. It's easy for me to eat less now, because I don't get hungry so much anymore. Lowcarb is great at enabling CICO for those of us who need enabling.

    If I had one piece of advice for anyone on how to get started, I would say do it with the support of a professional - a doctor and/or dietician - but do it with someone who's open to the lowcarb concept. I don't know what it's like elsewhere in the world, but here in NZ dieticians are required to uphold a certain ethical code that basically says two things: firstly always look to improve your methods, keep up with the science and be the best you can be etc, and secondly follow the official dietary guidelines. But since the science and the guidelines don't always align, some professionals go one way and some go the other. Don't be afraid to shop around for the help you need.
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    My gym does 8-week challenges so I signed up. Their web site comes with meal plans which I noticed are all high protein, low carb meals.
    Lost almost 1kg just this week so it seems to be working. Only problem is that the ingredients are hella expensive. I guess eating healthy isn't cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sponk View Post
    My gym does 8-week challenges so I signed up. Their web site comes with meal plans which I noticed are all high protein, low carb meals.
    Lost almost 1kg just this week so it seems to be working. Only problem is that the ingredients are hella expensive. I guess eating healthy isn't cheap.
    What sort of meals are they proposing? I'm always on the lookout for more ideas.

    On a per meal basis I would agree, it's very easy to spend a lot of money eating this way. I've read through a couple of keto cookbooks and while I got a couple of ideas from them, most of the recipes had like 10-15 ingredients, many of which were exotic/expensive/effort. That was actually my main dilemma, coming up with meal ideas that were simple enough. But as far as cost goes, I figure it balances out in two ways:

    1. Meals keep you fuller for longer. You can have a plate of pasta for lunch and be hungry again in 3 hours, or you can have a plate of pork belly and be hungry again in 6. To really compare the two for cost, you'd have to add in whatever snack you had after the pasta to keep you going to dinner.

    2. If you're in as bad a state as I was, associated healthcare costs will go down as your situation improves. I had a few trips to the ED over the years, and of course lots of doctor's appointments, all of which are history now. I'm also driving my car a lot less than before, because I'm now able to walk to work and back every day so much more easily, so I'm saving on parking and fuel there as well.

    I'm lucky in that my work has a cafeteria with a buffet, so I can lunch there most days picking the best options from whatever's available on the day. Dinners I do make myself at home, and I usually stick to a day-of-the-week routine, only mixing it up to prevent having similar things for lunch and dinner on the same day. Sounds boring maybe, but it means no more wondering "what do I have tonight". My default round looks like this:

    Monday: bunless burgers (lettuce instead of bun). Easy to make, few dishes, no point in making Mondays worse than they already are.

    Tuesday: mince with courgette, half a can of tomatoes and some mushrooms. This started off as a kind of fake spaghetti bolognaise, with the spiralised courgette replacing the spaghetti, but over time I got lazy and now I just cook the lot in a single pot.

    Wednesday: salmon and spinach, both of which are fried in olive oil in that order, served with aioli.

    Thursday: stir fry chicken, also done in olive oil. Cut up a chicken breast, fry the pieces, then fry 1/4 bag of veges. Just a little soy sauce for flavour at the end.

    Friday: steak with mushrooms and mashed cauli. I just chuck the mushrooms in with the steak once it's nearly done and they cook in the steak fat. Caulimash is a great substitute for potato too.

    Saturday: omelettes filled with tuna and cheese for lunch. Dinner is KFC; this is a big surprise for many, but original recipe pieces are actually pretty lowcarb. They are however not cooked in the right kind of fat, so I consider them a treat on that basis.

    Sunday: scrambled eggs with sausages for lunch. Dinner is a can of vege soup usually with chopped bits of spam, just to ensure I get at least some veges in during the weekend.

    The only stuff I would consider a little pricey there would be the salmon, steak and KFC. I know there are other lowcarb fast food options like bunless burgers from some burger chains but I can make my own burgers at home, and Subway has good meat and salad options but I tend to have a lot of that sort of thing at the lunch buffet.

    Diet Doctor is a pretty good online resource for lowcarb recipes, ideas from which helped me put my own meal plan together. Though I personally tend to avoid the imitation-type stuff like keto bread, keto pizza etc because it just makes me crave the real thing.
    Last edited by Ben Derindar; February 4 2018 at 05:42:02 PM.

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    PMed you a link to their web site.
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