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    For the record, before the usual tinpot racists jump down my throat, I wouldn't have an issue if he stayed

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    For the record, before the usual tinpot racists jump down my throat, I wouldn't have an issue if he stayed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    For the record, before the usual tinpot racists jump down my throat, I wouldn't have an issue if he stayed
    Cool story, bro ...
    Apparently he is in fact staying here, so, go fish

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    For the bleeding heart liberals. How would you disagree that endlessly accepting refugees is treating the symptom and not the problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    For the bleeding heart liberals. How would you disagree that endlessly accepting refugees is treating the symptom and not the problem?
    Well, if the "problem" is not enough rapes diversity, accepting more refugees is just what the doctor ordered.

    On a more serious note, "treating the problem" involves some good old-fashioned colonialism (i.e. building schools, legal system, decent military, etc.), so it is strictly verboten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    For the bleeding heart liberals. How would you disagree that endlessly accepting refugees is treating the symptom and not the problem?
    On a more serious note, "treating the problem" involves some good old-fashioned colonialism (i.e. building schools, legal system, decent military, etc.), so it is strictly verboten.
    Well, a good start would be to stop exploiting the shit out of those countries' natural resources and labor forces. And stop passively-aggressively supporting oppressive regimes there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    For the bleeding heart liberals. How would you disagree that endlessly accepting refugees is treating the symptom and not the problem?
    On a more serious note, "treating the problem" involves some good old-fashioned colonialism (i.e. building schools, legal system, decent military, etc.), so it is strictly verboten.
    Well, a good start would be to stop exploiting the shit out of those countries' natural resources and labor forces. And stop passively-aggressively supporting oppressive regimes there.
    That would mean less profit for the elites in both the exploited countries and those 'at home' supporting them so don't expect that to change anytime soon.

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    well we're going to have to deal with literal billions of them when the entire indian subcontinent becomes uninhabitable thanks to global warming... so you should probably just get used to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    For the bleeding heart liberals. How would you disagree that endlessly accepting refugees is treating the symptom and not the problem?
    On a more serious note, "treating the problem" involves some good old-fashioned colonialism (i.e. building schools, legal system, decent military, etc.), so it is strictly verboten.
    Well, a good start would be to stop exploiting the shit out of those countries' natural resources and labor forces. And stop passively-aggressively supporting oppressive regimes there.
    There really is a extremely simple solution.

    Stop money laundering and /Tax evasion/Tax planning schemes.
    It so fucking blatant, and its not hard to spot, so if there was a will it would be done in short order and dramatically increase the available capital for the countries that really needs it the most.

    Side effect would be less corruption in those countries as well so its obviously never gonna happen.

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    reminder : what colonialism actually is.

    not surprised Don supports that sort of thing tho.


    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    For the bleeding heart liberals. How would you disagree that endlessly accepting refugees is treating the symptom and not the problem?
    On a more serious note, "treating the problem" involves some good old-fashioned colonialism (i.e. building schools, legal system, decent military, etc.), so it is strictly verboten.
    Well, a good start would be to stop exploiting the shit out of those countries' natural resources and labor forces. And stop passively-aggressively supporting oppressive regimes there.
    There really is a extremely simple solution.

    Stop money laundering and /Tax evasion/Tax planning schemes.
    It so fucking blatant, and its not hard to spot, so if there was a will it would be done in short order and dramatically increase the available capital for the countries that really needs it the most.

    Side effect would be less corruption in those countries as well so its obviously never gonna happen.
    this solves nothing, but it does make a bunch of people feel better.

    the prosperity of the western world is largely build upon stolen wealth from the former, and current colonial holdings, and no the exploitation train didn't stop just because the old european empires died, it's still trucking on quite happily with a shiny new badge.
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    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    reminder : what colonialism actually is.

    not surprised Don supports that sort of thing tho.
    Neolibs gonna neolib

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    reminder : what colonialism actually is.

    not surprised Don supports that sort of thing tho.


    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    For the bleeding heart liberals. How would you disagree that endlessly accepting refugees is treating the symptom and not the problem?
    On a more serious note, "treating the problem" involves some good old-fashioned colonialism (i.e. building schools, legal system, decent military, etc.), so it is strictly verboten.
    Well, a good start would be to stop exploiting the shit out of those countries' natural resources and labor forces. And stop passively-aggressively supporting oppressive regimes there.
    There really is a extremely simple solution.

    Stop money laundering and /Tax evasion/Tax planning schemes.
    It so fucking blatant, and its not hard to spot, so if there was a will it would be done in short order and dramatically increase the available capital for the countries that really needs it the most.

    Side effect would be less corruption in those countries as well so its obviously never gonna happen.
    this solves nothing, but it does make a bunch of people feel better.

    the prosperity of the western world is largely build upon stolen wealth from the former, and current colonial holdings, and no the exploitation train didn't stop just because the old european empires died, it's still trucking on quite happily with a shiny new badge.

    yeah i know how economics work, news at eleven.

    But your just plain wrong about Tax planning (way worse then the other)/Tax evasion and money laundry. But obviously you wouldn't have these things if there was no exploitation going on first. There is way less of it in "strong" countries for obvious reasons.

    Just look at your biggest (subject to change?) bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    yeah i know how economics work, news at eleven.

    But your just plain wrong about Tax planning (way worse then the other)/Tax evasion and money laundry. But obviously you wouldn't have these things if there was no exploitation going on first. There is way less of it in "strong" countries for obvious reasons.

    Just look at your biggest (subject to change?) bank.
    they all arise as a result of the power imbalance the originates in the way money functions in our society, even if you by some stroke of magic made it all "go away" you'd have a similiar set of problems popping up within weeks.

    so no, i am not wrong, it doesn't fucking matter because it's just symptoms, and i genuninely hope Danske bank dies from it's current white-washing scandal because it would confirm there is at least a modicum of justice in this world, but it won't die and the responsible people have already pulled their golden parachutes, and had the gall to whine in the media about how they're unlikely to ever get a directorship position again.

    after getting millions in severance pay, a compensation package in the 0.01% end of the income pyramid AND getting away without criminal charges in the process.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    well we're going to have to deal with literal billions of them when the entire indian subcontinent becomes uninhabitable thanks to global warming... so you should probably just get used to it.
    You broke it, you own it, as the saying goes.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    yeah i know how economics work, news at eleven.

    But your just plain wrong about Tax planning (way worse then the other)/Tax evasion and money laundry. But obviously you wouldn't have these things if there was no exploitation going on first. There is way less of it in "strong" countries for obvious reasons.

    Just look at your biggest (subject to change?) bank.
    they all arise as a result of the power imbalance the originates in the way money functions in our society, even if you by some stroke of magic made it all "go away" you'd have a similiar set of problems popping up within weeks.

    so no, i am not wrong, it doesn't fucking matter because it's just symptoms, and i genuninely hope Danske bank dies from it's current white-washing scandal because it would confirm there is at least a modicum of justice in this world, but it won't die and the responsible people have already pulled their golden parachutes, and had the gall to whine in the media about how they're unlikely to ever get a directorship position again.

    after getting millions in severance pay, a compensation package in the 0.01% end of the income pyramid AND getting away without criminal charges in the process.
    Oh hes not gotten away without criminal charges yet. The police investigation just started and the shareholders might actually vote to indite the leadership over it as well. Not to mention the Bank now will face the wrath of the US finance department (10-20 Billion DKK in cost(1-3 Bill Euros).

    Lesson of the week, if you gonna launder money for "enemies" of the US, dont do it with USD, use EUR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    Oh hes not gotten away without criminal charges yet. The police investigation just started and the shareholders might actually vote to indite the leadership over it as well. Not to mention the Bank now will face the wrath of the US finance department (10-20 Billion DKK in cost(1-3 Bill Euros).

    Lesson of the week, if you gonna launder money for "enemies" of the US, dont do it with USD, use EUR.
    the US can level whatever charges they wish, that doesn't mean automatic extradition especially not in a high profile case like this.

    moreover, everything thus far indicate that, trough the magic of not actually documenting shit, there is no evidence of knowledge of wrongdoing outside the Estonian branch.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    Oh hes not gotten away without criminal charges yet. The police investigation just started and the shareholders might actually vote to indite the leadership over it as well. Not to mention the Bank now will face the wrath of the US finance department (10-20 Billion DKK in cost(1-3 Bill Euros).

    Lesson of the week, if you gonna launder money for "enemies" of the US, dont do it with USD, use EUR.
    the US can level whatever charges they wish, that doesn't mean automatic extradition especially not in a high profile case like this.

    moreover, everything thus far indicate that, trough the magic of not actually documenting shit, there is no evidence of knowledge of wrongdoing outside the Estonian branch.

    Where do you get your information from?

    US don't need to extradite anyone to get those fines payed (They don't even bother with criminal charges). Either you pay or you are cut of from using USD. And any bank not using USD would be bankrupted in a few days.

    The criminal charges will be brought by danish police, and the CEO will ahve a hard time explaining how he was not responsible when he ran the Estonian branch before being CEO of the whole bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    Oh hes not gotten away without criminal charges yet. The police investigation just started and the shareholders might actually vote to indite the leadership over it as well. Not to mention the Bank now will face the wrath of the US finance department (10-20 Billion DKK in cost(1-3 Bill Euros).

    Lesson of the week, if you gonna launder money for "enemies" of the US, dont do it with USD, use EUR.
    the US can level whatever charges they wish, that doesn't mean automatic extradition especially not in a high profile case like this.

    moreover, everything thus far indicate that, trough the magic of not actually documenting shit, there is no evidence of knowledge of wrongdoing outside the Estonian branch.

    Where do you get your information from?

    US don't need to extradite anyone to get those fines payed (They don't even bother with criminal charges). Either you pay or you are cut of from using USD. And any bank not using USD would be bankrupted in a few days.

    The criminal charges will be brought by danish police, and the CEO will ahve a hard time explaining how he was not responsible when he ran the Estonian branch before being CEO of the whole bank.
    domestic press where the investigation leaks like a sieve, no doubt the bank is going to be fined but the people responsible ? it looks like they're getting off with a "WOOPS! SORRY!"
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    Oh hes not gotten away without criminal charges yet. The police investigation just started and the shareholders might actually vote to indite the leadership over it as well. Not to mention the Bank now will face the wrath of the US finance department (10-20 Billion DKK in cost(1-3 Bill Euros).

    Lesson of the week, if you gonna launder money for "enemies" of the US, dont do it with USD, use EUR.
    the US can level whatever charges they wish, that doesn't mean automatic extradition especially not in a high profile case like this.

    moreover, everything thus far indicate that, trough the magic of not actually documenting shit, there is no evidence of knowledge of wrongdoing outside the Estonian branch.

    Where do you get your information from?

    US don't need to extradite anyone to get those fines payed (They don't even bother with criminal charges). Either you pay or you are cut of from using USD. And any bank not using USD would be bankrupted in a few days.

    The criminal charges will be brought by danish police, and the CEO will ahve a hard time explaining how he was not responsible when he ran the Estonian branch before being CEO of the whole bank.
    domestic press where the investigation leaks like a sieve, no doubt the bank is going to be fined but the people responsible ? it looks like they're getting off with a "WOOPS! SORRY!"
    Dunno about that, this was a rather massive woops ... and I have hopes that the Danes are better at/than this than the Brits or the 'Mericans ...
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    ...i have no idea whats realy going on...

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