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    Quote Originally Posted by MortyM View Post
    As has been said, making the journey difficult, dangerous and expensive is very much by design. They EU pretty much wants loads of them to die on their way here, as it will deter others from coming.
    Early on there was some talk about allowing asylum seekers to apply from abroad, but that idea was quickly canned once they realised that all Syrians currently staying in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, etc. would be doing so.
    Don't think that is true. Not because I"m an idealist and think people are fairytale characters, but because it wouldn't make a difference as long as the people lining up to go don't hear about it. They are (only now) making some efforts to actually spread the word in the regions affected that the streets in Europe aren't lined with gold to counter the smugglers' propaganda. As long as the latter wins out, it doesn't matter how many people die, new ones will still come. Awful as that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobody_Holme View Post
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    We and the US (and a little bit the other allies like france, germany, etc) caused this. Why now the cost shows up on our doorstep demanding our help are we unwilling to give it?

    European imperialism still a thing, still going horribly wrong, even when non-euros do it (hello, 'murica).

    In other news, migrant workers are notably better at adapting to demands of their employers, and in a notable number of cases work harder, too. They are also willing to do all this for less than a local. Meanwhile, these same people often have no interest in forming a local community other than one of them and their fellow migrants from the appropriate region/country/ethnicity/whatever.

    Capitalism and free markets are completely unable to deal with this. No other functional system exists other than dictatorship. I'd suggest we try that but have you SEEN our prime (swine) minister?
    the bolded bit sounds like a excellent deal for the capitalists mate, i mean sure it puts even more downward pressure on the lowest wage groups but then, from their perspective, what's the problem ? they'd be happy if they could get the labour for nothing.

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    on one hand, we have a humanitarian obligation to help these people, a obligation we have been ignoring far too much for our own good. on the other hand i have lived almost half my life in the sort of ghetto/ethnic enclave that these people are likely to end up in and seen first hand the damage it does to social institutions (going to a school where half the pupils are second generation/third generation immigrants and a minority flat out refuses to speak danish to name one), there is already a group of immigrants/decendants of immigrants who are more or less refusing to integrate into society and those that do tend to end up in low end of the labour market, the same end that has been shedding jobs for a frighting rate the last 15 years.

    i thoroughly disapprove of the recent legislative changes making it even harder to become a citizen and the shoddy by parliament work over the last couple of days (suspending habeas corpus and carrying out border closure at will, with no judicial oversight) but i also despair at the mindless optimism exemplified by Sweden and our own left-wing parties the last few months, taking these people in is not "free" short or long term, but it's the decent thing to do, but it should be done with open eyes and scepticism applied.

    i just wish that the root issue would be addressed for once, instead of watching fucktards like Merkel effectively open the floodgates because :muhdemographicproblems!:, yes Northern Europe is in dire straits because the current 20-30 age-group is tiny, we've known that for 20 years or more, and yes they aren't reproducing fast enough to just hit replacement rates. but really, inviting hundreds of thousands to do the crossing does what exactly other than stoking the fires of xenophobia ?
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    Merkel has to fuck off so we can finally close the borders for them.
    This is going to bring us a lot of right wing governments and that's not good for me because I voted for commies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post
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    Boy it's a good job we never let those Irish in. Or those Poles. Or Italians. Or Jews. Or Chinese. Or Indians. Can you imagine what a drag they'd have been on our economy?
    The difference between Europe and the USA historically is that you had 'room/space' to welcome those people. Your picture is probably from the 20s last century. If you would live in Europe for just a month i would guess you change your mind.
    As it is the EU has a shit load of problems with their own citizens, housing, jobs, social services, etc.

    I am not saying we shouldnt take in refugees but at this moment there is no structure or policy (which we need desparatly).
    They come in by the multiK and its OMFGRABBLERABBLE, proto-fascist gets more votesRABBLERABBLE.
    Holland is as of now the only country able to house/shelter all of the influx. That means no immigrants sleeping under a bridge. 2 days ago politicians were talking about that being a option because they cant manage the influx.

    For Holland thats a very very big disgrace.
    (This is coming from a person who works in mental health care and also with domestic homeless people).
    [sweden]We got space, we lack houses though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarnca View Post
    [Zeekar]

    Merkel has to fuck off so we can finally close the borders for them.
    This is going to bring us a lot of right wing governments and that's not good for me because I voted for commies
    What?
    Coming soon(tm).


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    Quote Originally Posted by lt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Smarnca View Post
    [Zeekar]

    Merkel has to fuck off so we can finally close the borders for them.
    This is going to bring us a lot of right wing governments and that's not good for me because I voted for commies
    What?
    :smarca:


    

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    Quote Originally Posted by lt View Post
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    Boy it's a good job we never let those Irish in. Or those Poles. Or Italians. Or Jews. Or Chinese. Or Indians. Can you imagine what a drag they'd have been on our economy?
    The difference between Europe and the USA historically is that you had 'room/space' to welcome those people. Your picture is probably from the 20s last century. If you would live in Europe for just a month i would guess you change your mind.
    As it is the EU has a shit load of problems with their own citizens, housing, jobs, social services, etc.

    I am not saying we shouldnt take in refugees but at this moment there is no structure or policy (which we need desparatly).
    They come in by the multiK and its OMFGRABBLERABBLE, proto-fascist gets more votesRABBLERABBLE.
    Holland is as of now the only country able to house/shelter all of the influx. That means no immigrants sleeping under a bridge. 2 days ago politicians were talking about that being a option because they cant manage the influx.

    For Holland thats a very very big disgrace.
    (This is coming from a person who works in mental health care and also with domestic homeless people).
    [sweden]We got space, we lack houses though.
    Indeed, maybe we shouldn't have demolished like 500 000 flats out in the country side these last 15-20 years...

    Housing can be fixed pretty quickly thought as long as we accept low quality housing in the short term and then start building normal shit faster.

    Also for economic comparison it makes me sick people say we "cant afford it" the cost increase is around 2-3 bill Euros annually. The last 10 years we lowered our taxes with 16 billion Euros/Year. So there is plenty of cash if we "want to".

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    I hope thhat the winter is going to stop the immigrants.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoffl View Post
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    I brought it for Larkonis and lall but from what I hear larks definitely not coming and lall probably not.


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    errrr? what


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    Ffs why won't the link work

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    Have fun with them I guess.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoffl View Post
    Ffs why won't the link work

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    you seem to have put a return before the https.


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    Fucking Dropbox so bad, anyways fixed. Also I hope the next time shit hits the fan in slav balkistan you end up on the wrong side of the fences m8m8m8





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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoffl View Post
    Fucking Dropbox so bad, anyways fixed. Also I hope the next time shit hits the fan in slav balkistan you end up on the wrong side of the fences m8m8m8





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    We probably will

    But I guess we're building our own shitty fence so whatever


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeekar View Post
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    [Zeekar]

    Merkel has to fuck off so we can finally close the borders for them.
    This is going to bring us a lot of right wing governments and that's not good for me because I voted for commies
    What?
    :smarca:
    This is less of a contradiction than you might believe. If one regards the refugees as harbingers of a fascistoid religious-political system (which is probably an exagerated fear but successful integration will not be easy ) then fearing for 150 years of european progress might make sense.

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    While I agree with that the rise or decline of right wing parties in slovenia has pretty much 0 things to do with immigrants.


    

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    Oh well if the shit hits the fan in the emirates of Al-Denmarki I'll go live in Colombia and laugh as the whiteys get destroyed from within by the Islamists


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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Oh well if the shit hits the fan in the emirates of Al-Denmarki I'll go live in Colombia and laugh as the whiteys get destroyed from within by the Islamists

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    The future of Europe?
    And we just keep letting them in.


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