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    They're still calling them refugees

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    As if the name matters.

    If your country has had its economy completely destroyed and there's no functional infrastructure then it doesn't make much sense to stick around waiting to be murdered or starved to death.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    German pilots refuse to carry out deportations

    Pilots across Germany are stopping planned deportations of rejected asylum seekers. At the same time, refugees are appealing their deportation orders in record numbers - and winning.
    This is such a farce.
    Selective quoting is selective.

    From TFA:
    "The decision not to carry a passenger is ultimately made by the pilot on a case by case basis. If he or she had the impression that flight safety could be affected, he must refuse to transport the passenger," Lamberty was quoted by the Westdeutsche Allegeimeine Zeitung as saying.

    According to Lamberty, Lufthansa pilots sometimes talk personally to passengers who are about to be deported prior to the flight. In general, these people are treated like normal passengers, "they have a valid ticket after all."
    Given this, the headline could equally well read "German pilots refuse to transport drunkards", which they also do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    As if the name matters.

    If your country has had its economy completely destroyed and there's no functional infrastructure then it doesn't make much sense to stick around waiting to be murdered or starved to death.
    And if your country hasn't then it doesn't make much sense to allow the masses into it either. They should be kept close by so they can return and rebuild when the war ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Contemporary Poster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    As if the name matters.

    If your country has had its economy completely destroyed and there's no functional infrastructure then it doesn't make much sense to stick around waiting to be murdered or starved to death.
    And if your country hasn't then it doesn't make much sense to allow the masses into it either. They should be kept close by so they can return and rebuild when the war ends.
    Gross ignorance of the actual conditions on the ground and the nature of modern international relations reduces that wish to pie in the sky thinking.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Selective quoting is selective.

    From TFA:
    "The decision not to carry a passenger is ultimately made by the pilot on a case by case basis. If he or she had the impression that flight safety could be affected, he must refuse to transport the passenger," Lamberty was quoted by the Westdeutsche Allegeimeine Zeitung as saying.

    According to Lamberty, Lufthansa pilots sometimes talk personally to passengers who are about to be deported prior to the flight. In general, these people are treated like normal passengers, "they have a valid ticket after all."
    Given this, the headline could equally well read "German pilots refuse to transport drunkards", which they also do.
    Pilots refused to fly because political reasons not for safety reasons. So we are stuck with them, it doesn't matter their asylum was rejected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    As if the name matters.

    If your country has had its economy completely destroyed and there's no functional infrastructure then it doesn't make much sense to stick around waiting to be murdered or starved to death.
    And if your country hasn't then it doesn't make much sense to allow the masses into it either. They should be kept close by so they can return and rebuild when the war ends.
    Gross ignorance of the actual conditions on the ground and the nature of modern international relations reduces that wish to pie in the sky thinking.
    I still don't see how it justifies bringing them here. It's already causing massive problems for Western countries that have brought in masses of refugees.

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    The biggest problem it causes is becoming a scape goat for right wing politicians who refuse to address actual issues with good policy
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The biggest problem it causes is becoming a scape goat for right wing politicians who refuse to address actual issues with good policy
    But then how big is the problem when left-wing feminist politicians/governments are even worse with coming up with good policy and then simply refuse to acknowledge any issues because you know, thats racist.
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    I would create a dragon made out of vaginas. Then I would create a dragon made out of dicks. Then I would have them fight to the death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN] View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The biggest problem it causes is becoming a scape goat for right wing politicians who refuse to address actual issues with good policy
    But then how big is the problem when left-wing feminist politicians/governments are even worse with coming up with good policy and then simply refuse to acknowledge any issues because you know, thats racist.
    Nobody's been left wing since the abandonment of the post war consensus.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The biggest problem it causes is becoming a scape goat for right wing politicians who refuse to address actual issues with good policy
    But then how big is the problem when left-wing feminist politicians/governments are even worse with coming up with good policy and then simply refuse to acknowledge any issues because you know, thats racist.
    Nobody's been left wing since the abandonment of the post war consensus.
    They have they just abandoned the failed economics of the Bolsheviks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Contemporary Poster View Post
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    As if the name matters.

    If your country has had its economy completely destroyed and there's no functional infrastructure then it doesn't make much sense to stick around waiting to be murdered or starved to death.
    And if your country hasn't then it doesn't make much sense to allow the masses into it either. They should be kept close by so they can return and rebuild when the war ends.
    Gross ignorance of the actual conditions on the ground and the nature of modern international relations reduces that wish to pie in the sky thinking.
    I still don't see how it justifies bringing them here. It's already causing massive problems for Western countries that have brought in masses of refugees.
    I find these descriptions ("massive problems") always a bit irritating, considering how few refugees these fucking. wealthy. Western countries actually brought in compared to countries like say Libanon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Contemporary Poster View Post
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    As if the name matters.

    If your country has had its economy completely destroyed and there's no functional infrastructure then it doesn't make much sense to stick around waiting to be murdered or starved to death.
    And if your country hasn't then it doesn't make much sense to allow the masses into it either. They should be kept close by so they can return and rebuild when the war ends.
    Gross ignorance of the actual conditions on the ground and the nature of modern international relations reduces that wish to pie in the sky thinking.
    I still don't see how it justifies bringing them here. It's already causing massive problems for Western countries that have brought in masses of refugees.
    I find these descriptions ("massive problems") always a bit irritating, considering how few refugees these fucking. wealthy. Western countries actually brought in compared to countries like say Libanon
    The difference is Lebanon borders Syria and people in camps in Lebanon will return home when the war is over. The million or so you've taken into Germany will never leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Contemporary Poster View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Contemporary Poster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    As if the name matters.

    If your country has had its economy completely destroyed and there's no functional infrastructure then it doesn't make much sense to stick around waiting to be murdered or starved to death.
    And if your country hasn't then it doesn't make much sense to allow the masses into it either. They should be kept close by so they can return and rebuild when the war ends.
    Gross ignorance of the actual conditions on the ground and the nature of modern international relations reduces that wish to pie in the sky thinking.
    I still don't see how it justifies bringing them here. It's already causing massive problems for Western countries that have brought in masses of refugees.
    I find these descriptions ("massive problems") always a bit irritating, considering how few refugees these fucking. wealthy. Western countries actually brought in compared to countries like say Libanon
    The difference is Lebanon borders Syria and people in camps in Lebanon will return home when the war is over. The million or so you've taken into Germany will never leave.
    1) Libanon probably hosts more refugees than all EU countries together.
    2) It needs to feed them somehow for the time being
    3) Actual refugees in Europe will also return to Syria - even forced. That's not different than the refugees from the Yugoslavia civil war, where most of 'em also returned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
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    As if the name matters.

    If your country has had its economy completely destroyed and there's no functional infrastructure then it doesn't make much sense to stick around waiting to be murdered or starved to death.
    And if your country hasn't then it doesn't make much sense to allow the masses into it either. They should be kept close by so they can return and rebuild when the war ends.
    Gross ignorance of the actual conditions on the ground and the nature of modern international relations reduces that wish to pie in the sky thinking.
    I still don't see how it justifies bringing them here. It's already causing massive problems for Western countries that have brought in masses of refugees.
    I find these descriptions ("massive problems") always a bit irritating, considering how few refugees these fucking. wealthy. Western countries actually brought in compared to countries like say Libanon
    The difference is Lebanon borders Syria and people in camps in Lebanon will return home when the war is over. The million or so you've taken into Germany will never leave.
    1) Libanon probably hosts more refugees than all EU countries together.
    2) It needs to feed them somehow for the time being
    3) Actual refugees in Europe will also return to Syria - even forced. That's not different than the refugees from the Yugoslavia civil war, where most of 'em also returned.
    I think that's wishful thinking. You've already got the German government bribing them to leave and even if many take up the offer you've got far too many for there not to be a large number there. You're gonna be stuck with a lot of them permanently and they'll out breed your indigenous population heavily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Contemporary Poster View Post
    You're gonna be stuck with a lot of them permanently and they'll out breed your indigenous population heavily.
    No, they wont. tl;dr:

    immigrants adapt their fertility surprisingly quickly to the country in which they were admitted.
    The number of foreign citizens has fallen by more than 1 million within 20 years. The proportion of foreign employees has risen. The reproductive newcomer has opted for cars and careers instead of corner bars and pushchairs. Ergo, Kip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Contemporary Poster View Post
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    As if the name matters.

    If your country has had its economy completely destroyed and there's no functional infrastructure then it doesn't make much sense to stick around waiting to be murdered or starved to death.
    And if your country hasn't then it doesn't make much sense to allow the masses into it either. They should be kept close by so they can return and rebuild when the war ends.
    Gross ignorance of the actual conditions on the ground and the nature of modern international relations reduces that wish to pie in the sky thinking.
    I still don't see how it justifies bringing them here. It's already causing massive problems for Western countries that have brought in masses of refugees.
    I find these descriptions ("massive problems") always a bit irritating, considering how few refugees these fucking. wealthy. Western countries actually brought in compared to countries like say Libanon
    The difference is Lebanon borders Syria and people in camps in Lebanon will return home when the war is over. The million or so you've taken into Germany will never leave.
    1) Libanon probably hosts more refugees than all EU countries together.
    2) It needs to feed them somehow for the time being
    3) Actual refugees in Europe will also return to Syria - even forced. That's not different than the refugees from the Yugoslavia civil war, where most of 'em also returned.
    I think that's wishful thinking.
    No. I'm speaking out of experience with a similar situation (Yugoslavia)*), as I mentioned.

    In case you aren't aware: Germany also has laws regarding immigration/asylum. We might be a bit soft to bring them to full practice sometimes. And it also might take some time, because there's this thing called "nation of law", which grants everyone the right to appeal decsions in court. And for us everyone includes asylum seekers/refugees/immigrants. But in the end laws will be applied.

    *) Here's a (German) study from the University of Bamberg. This graph is entitled "War and Civil War refugees from Bosnia-Herzegowina in Germany"


    So yeah, not all went back. But the vast amount of them did.

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