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Thread: AT XIII in retrospect: rules, refinements, and thoughts on future tournaments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester View Post
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    So essentially the top groups dont really care about viewer numbers directly. But as those numbers are alll that CCP cares about and directly influence how much effort CCP puts into the AT, they are indirectly from importance too.
    Without an audience, sooner or later someone high up at CCP is going to wise up and say "Why are we burning our people out working weekends supporting this if nobody cares? Let's do X instead." and that'll either be the end of tournament ships or be the end of gaining them in that fashion.
    Well thats exactly what i meant. But its not in the responsibility of the top teams to create interest. Thats CCP's job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester View Post
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    So essentially the top groups dont really care about viewer numbers directly. But as those numbers are alll that CCP cares about and directly influence how much effort CCP puts into the AT, they are indirectly from importance too.
    Without an audience, sooner or later someone high up at CCP is going to wise up and say "Why are we burning our people out working weekends supporting this if nobody cares? Let's do X instead." and that'll either be the end of tournament ships or be the end of gaining them in that fashion.
    Well thats exactly what i meant. But its not in the responsibility of the top teams to create interest. Thats CCP's job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester View Post
    Er, no. We're currently entering the worst period for EVE activity there is. The "summer slump" is more or less a myth. EVE logged-in player counts do drop a bit in July. But the fall slump, particularly October, is by far the lowest period for EVE activity in the year.
    But that's my point - with the AT right at the minimum point, it should kick-start the people coming back thanks to media focus and social activity. It's not the AT per se, it's for CCP's business. While the attention, in august, is wasted as afterwards there's september anyways and people are leaving all the same.

    I guess that it'd be difficult for the teams as they need to get through summer holidays...
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    Quote Originally Posted by roigon View Post
    AT this year crossed soms big league of legends tournament. I know at least 1 person who chose to watch lol instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eshnala View Post

    Well thats exactly what i meant. But its not in the responsibility of the top teams to create interest. Thats CCP's job.
    What exactly is the problem.

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    There always is some other tournment.
    I think that happend 3 years in a row and I doubt the numbers will go much higher up even if it does not cross another game tournament.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester View Post
    I personally can't decide if that's good or bad for you guys. You're getting rich, which is obviously nice. But it's certainly it's no path to fame or even EVE e-fame. I doubt the average EVE player can name more than two or three really good tournament pilots who aren't much more e-famous for something else.
    I'm pretty much a nobody as far as tournament pilots go, but I still get convo-ed almost daily by people who recognize me from the AT. Sure it's anecdotal, but I suspect more people pay attention to this sort of thing that you realize.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eshnala View Post
    So because of that the top teams will never reveal their secrets. Which is sad as they could give so much more interesting insight and naratative to what was going on than anyone else.
    And i see no way how this would ever change.
    If CCP would credibly make a claim that they'd radically change the rules every year so as to make the previous meta completely irrelevant, then you'd probably see more teams sharing all their secrets form previous tournaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iddo_Cohaagen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester View Post
    I personally can't decide if that's good or bad for you guys. You're getting rich, which is obviously nice. But it's certainly it's no path to fame or even EVE e-fame. I doubt the average EVE player can name more than two or three really good tournament pilots who aren't much more e-famous for something else.
    I'm pretty much a nobody as far as tournament pilots go, but I still get convo-ed almost daily by people who recognize me from the AT. Sure it's anecdotal, but I suspect more people pay attention to this sort of thing that you realize.
    As one of the best heretic pilots in eve, I don't get convoed much

    Maybe Jaxley has people scrambling all over him.


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    Implying I log into TQ.

    Though maybe I should to test that theory.

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    EDIT EDIT: ISD deleted the chat log in the OP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    Cuts very close to the line. Lots of things seem to agree with it but then why would DHB post it?


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    Here's the original post including the now deleted chat log.

    Quote Originally Posted by DHB WildCat
    The moment came during the final weekend. For me and several of the Warlords pilots we knew something was wrong. This is the true story from a non leadership pilot of Warlords final weekend.

    First some clearance. All things that I hated because they are underhanded but are / were absolutely legal.

    -shared wormhole / pos / and joined new testing sisi corporation with camels.
    – shared logistics and spies.
    – shared set-ups
    – shared AT uniques for matches between the teams during tournament. Or more specifically Camel used our AT ships for the most part.
    – shared prizes. yep once Warlords and Camels took 1 and 2 we joined the prize pool of 80 ships and distributed prizes amongst both teams equally.

    August 29th, Camel vs Warlords.

    Match 1 – Legit fight. Except for some very wierd target calling. Was nothing like what had practiced. We should have won that fight. Also side note / this was the only match I didnt fly in because for the final weekend Kadesh SOS’d Garmon to come fly in case Haart couldnt be here. Instead he took my spot. Meh 4 months of practicing and working hard to be replaced by someone that had absolutely 0 input or help to the team prior to the final weekend…… I was a bit bitter. Garmon however manned up and realized that I was probably a better fit to fly the Battleships. Lets be honest Haart (Sgt Anti) missed 4 out of the 5 bump attempts he made and only side scraped a vulture once after it was already 30km away.

    Match 2 – This is were the **** gets interesting. You’ll notice that we lost this fight but that the 2nd fight of the finals was almost identical with a totally different outcome. After this loss I was irate! I was yelling on coms and questioning Leadership thinking something was off. Then I get a skype convo by Kadesh.

    [8/29/2015 1:43:30 PM] Kadesh: dont get depressed m8. Our matches were staged. We ran 1st setups predefined which were decided by online coinflip
    [8/29/2015 1:43:44 PM] Kadesh: who lost 1st match was supposed to get ff/shallow vs heaven
    [8/29/2015 1:43:57 PM] Kadesh: so we had just 1 real fight which we lost
    [8/29/2015 1:44:32 PM] Kadesh: and 2nd was 0 chances for us to win
    [8/29/2015 1:44:41 PM] Kadesh: this is to get more time to prep vs bo1 in losers
    [8/29/2015 1:44:47 PM] Kadesh: otherwise we’d have like 20 minutes
    [8/29/2015 1:44:56 PM] Kadesh: while tuskers had 40 or 1 hour
    [8/29/2015 1:45:14 PM] Kadesh: and regarding finals we will talk again later with camels
    [8/29/2015 1:45:33 PM] Kadesh: i want to win and will do everything to. We just couldnt set up semifinals because of massive PL rage on forums
    [8/29/2015 1:45:42 PM] Kadesh: and we had to do ~real fights~
    [8/29/2015 1:46:35 PM] Chris Gaidzik: well still not happy about it, but it really would have been nice if you let us know that before we bet several billions of isk on our team thinking we had a chance
    [8/29/2015 1:46:44 PM] Kadesh: we had
    [8/29/2015 1:46:48 PM] Kadesh: if we won 1st fight
    [8/29/2015 1:46:53 PM] Kadesh: camels would throw 2nd
    [8/29/2015 1:47:05 PM] Kadesh: it was just 1st match
    [8/29/2015 1:47:17 PM] Kadesh: we basically reduced bo3 to bo1 + 1 additional match
    [8/29/2015 1:47:31 PM] Kadesh: we also changed many fits so PL dont get an idea of what our setups are
    [8/29/2015 1:47:43 PM] Kadesh: so it’s better for overall chances
    [8/29/2015 1:48:20 PM] Kadesh: we can’t spread this info because if any ****** talks too much
    [8/29/2015 1:48:26 PM] Kadesh: we’re banned as both teams

    At this point I didnt know what to do. I was the bad guy. On a team breaking rules. I was and am torn. I wanted to quit. The only thing that kept me there were the guys that werent in leadership for both teams that were legitimately working their asses off to win. I couldnt quit on them. I hated kadesh so much at this point. I didnt really get along with him anyways before.

    So we went on from there. Beating Tuskers. and then beating PL.

    So now the finals. I dont know what to even think of it myself.

    Match 1 – Nothing to me seemed off here. Our set-up was designed to destroy the logi fast, which it did. Then just won on outlasting the opponent.

    Match 2 – almost mirror match of what we lost to the first time we faced camels. I was nervous. Ran backwards 20 km to line up a bump. Then raged in and bumped vulture out of range. We killed it and then won after that. However it was nice using our regular set-ups and not having logi perma jammed.

    Match 3 – Sacrifice the chremoa. So I dont know what to think. After the kadesh convo I was questioning everything. We removed most if not all RSB’s and replaced them with REECM. We then proceeded to get wrecked by damps………….

    Match 4 – Finally got tired of the bullshit and told kadesh to shut up and took over calling. We played passive for a while. Kadesh neuting the primary claymore. I beeged and pleaded to the point of my voice going out for kadesh to stop being an idiot and go neut the logi. He wouldnt initially saying we had to neut the claymore. I finally told him I would take over the neuting and tackle, just go neut the GOD DAMN LOGI SO WE CAN KILL SOMETHING! So I sacrificed myself by tackling the claymore in my phoon and neuting it. now with the logi neuted the bombers started dieing. The claymore died. I deid but not before rage cruise put the second claymore into hull. Haart kiting at 60km was able to finish the claymore and then SNI’s with bomber help as the t3 wing killed bombers, until soldat went down in our own logi and then I made the call for the t3d to take down their logi. Which is why the last bomber didnt die right away.

    All in all I dont know what to think. I just know Im pissed. And I waited this long so the guys that did this legitly could be rewarded for their efforts. Warlords and Camel leadership fixed 1 match I know of. As for the finals I dont know what to think. I honestly dont.

    All I am certain of is that………….

    1) There are still some good guys on the camel and warlord team that had no idea of what was going on and just worked their asses off!
    2) PL / Exodus …… Im sorry you guys were up against overwhelming odds and did fantastically.
    3) I have still not won an AT legitly and cannot call myself an AT champion.
    4) This probably means I will never fly an AT again since I am leaving hydra and noone will probably take me in. lol
    5) CCP I am sorry.

    I am sorry to the camel and warlord guys that played this legit. You all rock.
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