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    TMA Killing Destroyers

    Hello

    I've resubbed after several years. Living in 0.0 and have found a plethora of t3 dessies and algoses that need to die.

    With such a quick align time and their ability to control range, I'm wondering what people are doing to deal with them.

    My first instinct is an insta alpha sleip or muninn, but with all the changes I don't know if these can even track them well enough. I can fly anything.


    Killing them may be too hard to pull off, but at least maybe something to force them off the field. Just want to weigh in on the current meta and the best way to address constantly running into these.

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    Curse? Assuming they have reasonable small capacitors.
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    Orthrus, omen navy (in a speed fit), cerberus, curse, gila, vexor navy all work amazingly well.
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    Small gun talos. They'll try to come close to get under guns. Suddenly 2 webs with 500 dps


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarnca View Post
    Small gun talos. They'll try to come close to get under guns. Suddenly 2 webs with 500 dps
    But that's cheasting!
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    I nearly lost a 200mil ranis to a nado doing this 50km off of a gate in nullsec. Dual a-type props & spiraling ftw. Got out in ~5% hull as the rest of Ganked poured in and nuked the bastard. Fun for all involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    I nearly lost a 200mil ranis to a nado doing this 50km off of a gate in nullsec. Dual a-type props & spiraling ftw. Got out in ~5% hull as the rest of Ganked poured in and nuked the bastard. Fun for all involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mobiusnm View Post
    Hello

    I've resubbed after several years. Living in 0.0 and have found a plethora of t3 dessies and algoses that need to die.

    With such a quick align time and their ability to control range, I'm wondering what people are doing to deal with them.

    My first instinct is an insta alpha sleip or muninn, but with all the changes I don't know if these can even track them well enough. I can fly anything.


    Killing them may be too hard to pull off, but at least maybe something to force them off the field. Just want to weigh in on the current meta and the best way to address constantly running into these.
    Scythe Fleet, Stabber (assuming they dont have links), Anything that can pack neuts, along with caracal OFC if you are looking for something less threatening

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    Caracal doesnt work, they can facetank that in dualrep version (for the t3ds) and they are fast enough to catch those.
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    Thanks guys. its really all the svipuls roaming around that I'm focused on. Lots of ideas, will post results.

    I can say that VNI needs someone else to tackle or scanres mods unless they are stupid enough to engage.

    Will try some of these more inconspicuous suggestions.

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    I, too, am running out of ideas here. Maybe you just need a better sniper ship? Instapop glasscannon Naga anyone?

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    4.227k volley with my skills, 62k optimal, 37 falloff
    3.5k with uranium, 93 optimal.
    5.2s rate of fire, obviously enough for any competent pilot to warp off, but the frequency i see t3 dessies in space and simple statistics tells me that there must be some morons among them.
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    https://zkillboard.com/kill/46635190/ (different t3d but same priniciple) thats what happens to those, a svipul in defmode is very tiny and very hard to track.
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    Welp. In that case i'm back to the idea of nanofagging it up or using a cloaky recon.

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    3.9k ish speed with lg snakes etc, solo, no links. 36k heated point, the idea is to bumrush the campers, takes ~10 seconds to get into point range of a sniper sitting 70k off the gate.
    fast enough to avoid/burn back out of gatecamps, 32k ehp, 300 dps is pretty shit though.
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    Are you not 4x stacking with those lows and rigs? How much is that T1 polycarb actually giving you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodle View Post
    Welp. In that case i'm back to the idea of nanofagging it up or using a cloaky recon.

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    3.9k ish speed with lg snakes etc, solo, no links. 36k heated point, the idea is to bumrush the campers, takes ~10 seconds to get into point range of a sniper sitting 70k off the gate.
    fast enough to avoid/burn back out of gatecamps, 32k ehp, 300 dps is pretty shit though.
    Scythe fleet needs 3X BCS, and dual nano imo. Also it needs hydrualic bay thrusters.

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    For me the problem is that vs bad ones a lot of stuff works, you can kill them in t1 cruisers or a even in t1 dessies if you do it smart. However vs the good ones all the simple stuff wont work, they tank 500+dps with a super small signature, deal absurd dps and are more then fast enough to actually catch what they are chasing.

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    Take that as an example (an example - dont actually use it, no tracking bonused pulse lasers + no range control means this dies to everything frigate sized with a scram and a web), it tanks 488dps in def mode with a exile (no links or heat) while it has paste while doing 385dps. It also isnt that slow (2.3km/s) for mwd, if you go for that as a scythe fleet for example either you get caught and die or it eventially gfoes. Which in turn is why you have to use a properly scary ship to beat them, i.e a orthrus or vni and vs an orthrus if you do run into a linked one you still lose. But if you do that no bad one will fight you ever.


    So you can either fly one that wins vs all but that none will engage or you fly something that wins vs few but loses to the good ones which will all fight you.
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    https://zkillboard.com/kill/47349033/

    Another example (no links on either side).
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    why don't you just cap them out?

    anything with twin utility highslot can fit double med neuts and just stagger them, bye bye tank, bye bye speed.

    If you really want to be a bitch buy some low grade talisman for extra fuckery.

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    How often do you see them engaging anything with utility high-slots?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baarhyn View Post
    why don't you just cap them out?

    anything with twin utility highslot can fit double med neuts and just stagger them, bye bye tank, bye bye speed.

    If you really want to be a bitch buy some low grade talisman for extra fuckery.
    Works for confessors and maybe jackdaws, but many svipuls run at least 1 nos, sometimes even 2.


    https://zkillboard.com/related/30045333/201506260200/ (more retarded truesolo t3d killmails)
    Last edited by W0lf Crendraven; June 26 2015 at 02:53:46 AM.
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