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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Intigo
    Haha, it's Mamba Lev again.



    lol

    also those fits seriously need a web.

    the 100mn ab is totally worthless without a web to counter web a bc back. otherwise they can just mwd at a similar speed to you to keep you tackled for longer

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    oh god what am i doing

    [Tengu, Proteus Wannabe]
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
    Damage Control II
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

    Federation Navy 10MN MicroWarpdrive
    Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
    Photon Scattering Field II
    True Sansha Warp Scrambler
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Invulnerability Field II

    Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

    Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
    Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers


    Fits all level V
    601 DPS
    94kehp (70/88/82/70 resist profile) [18k total shield HP]
    1287m/s (1821 OH'd)
    4.5 + 6.3km Range (11 + 7.8km with null, drops to 479 DPS)

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    Re: Tengu

    I don't get it. Did you wake up one day and think "ferox is too cheap, needs pimping" ?

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by gpfault
    I don't get it. Did you wake up one day and think "14 inch penis is too cheap, needs pimping" ?
    Yes.

    The active tanked laser version (of the ferox) didn't work too well either.

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    Re: Tengu

    I was EFTing a neutron Tengu yesterday. =D Ended up with a nearly identical fit.

    Would fly it if I had an extra billion lying around burning a hole in my pocket.

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    Re: Tengu

    The 'Because of Falcon' fit is lacking a web as i sacrificed a mid for the sensor strength subsystem. I was given so much shit for not taking into account falcons last time. So i did 2 fits.

    2nd fit has a web look closer, i love the web fit for Low-Sec. Enabled me to runaway from a Proteus.

    Dropping the interdiction would be practical if there weren't so many blobs of cunt wipes roaming about looking for easy kills, not being capable of anything else.

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    Re: Tengu

    Hi guys,
    i tried to modify the endless's fit, to have little more tank and resistances. Only way was to swap dissolution sequencer to emergent locus sub, that's pretty useless for bonuses, but give an extra mid. So now i have same fit with +1 med (for tanking) -1 low (no DCU ) same DPS. Only difference is resistance to ECM dropped to 20 (35 was in endless's fit) and targeting range dropped from 117km to 81km.

    Question is if this "more tanked" version justify the loss of DCU, targeting range and defence against ECM..

    Here the mod:
    [Tengu, 100mn AB mod endless]
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Chelm's Modified Reactor Control Unit

    Imperial Navy Medium Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
    Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
    Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Dread Guristas Photon Scattering Field
    Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

    Medium Ancillary Current Router II
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
    Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
    Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by laz0rz
    Question is if this "more tanked" version justify the loss of DCU, targeting range and defence against ECM..
    I would say no. its designed for fighting blobs/small gangs and they will have ECM. without being able to counter web etc and take out tacklers it will end up much worse I think

    my pvp course is on hold atm until after AT unless you make me an offer I cant resist. sorry

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    Re: Tengu

    What Podcat says. Also the higher sensor strength will save you a few more times from raging at "dishonour drones"
    And since you'd be flying the AB-gu for fun and enjoyment cutting down the time you spend looking at 20second timer bars counts a lot in my opinion


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudolf Miller View Post
    [Tengu, 100mn standard]
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Damage Control II
    Chelm's Modified Reactor Control Unit

    Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner
    Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
    Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Imperial Navy Medium Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

    Medium Ancillary Current Router II
    Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

    copy-pasta from the original 100mn standard. however, i do prefer the med booster myself.
    What about using a CN Invuln instead of an EM-hardener and dropping the flare for an EM rig?

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    Noone bothers with hams anymore? :c

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derpy'eart View Post
    Noone bothers with hams anymore? :c
    A covertops/nullified HAM tengu can get a decent 450 dps.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kyrieee View Post
    What about using a CN Invuln instead of an EM-hardener and dropping the flare for an EM rig?
    how about simply not spending any money on a tengu thats just gunna get perma-jammed and die?

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    So I've been looking at getting a 100mn AB Tengu, and I've got two questions for those who have flown them before. For reference, I'll be running it with a T3 command booster w/ a mix of skirmish and siege links, and skirmish mindlink.

    1) If you had to chose, would a Nano or rigor II rig be better? The Nano adds like, 250-350m/s (depending on implants), and cuts align time by ~3.3 seconds. The Rigor II makes the furies hit cruisers and frigates a lot harder, and moar applied dps is always good.
    2) For implant sets, snakes or crystals? The Tengu would essentially be the *only* active boosting shield ship I'd fly (at least for a long time), and therefore would be of limited use to me. Snakes would be much more applicable, but the tank starts to look thin then.. Of course, it would also run like a bat out of hell (esp. with the nano), and that is its own form of survivability.

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    Was looking at the viability of ham fits, talked to a veteran tengu pilot, who dismissed the idea offhand and wouldn't even look at my potential fitting. No explanation either other than "HMLs rox and you dun need anything else!".
    So I ask you, the setups forum of FHC: can this be made to work?

    [Tengu, HAM]
    Damage Control II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Photon Scattering Field II
    Domination Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile

    Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I
    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I

    Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor


    Calculated with standard gang bonuses but without links.
    59,751 ehp. 810/952 dps@~35km with 5% hardwires. 1060 heated dps @~31km w/rage. Dps figures with 5% hardwires. Requires PG hardwire.
    Last edited by Rania Serlia; August 10 2011 at 05:36:28 PM.
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    If you change the engineering sup to cap regen matrix you get 36% stable with web off, it drops one launcher and the need for an ACR but you can fit a LSE and have +1 low slot

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    Damage Control II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Large Shield Extender II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Photon Scattering Field II
    Domination Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile

    Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
    Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I

    Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor


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    Tech 1 bay loading accels gah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sponk View Post
    Tech 1 bay loading accels gah
    Bump to T2 rigs where you want, obviously.


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    Except that a T2 loading accel won't fit with that rig combination due to it taking 300 calibration. You could drop the hydraulic bay thrusters to another flare and fit it but you'd lose a little range.
    Honestly though IMO that rig combination in T1 gives a good mix of range and damage for hams.

    Notr sure I want to sacrifice a launcher for a little more buffer though. The point of the supar theoryfit was that you can get 1k dps npnp from a tengu with 5% hardwires and a T2 fit. I'm not sure I'd ever fly it over a loki(though similar ehp buffer with no LSE is silly), but the idea of doing 1k dps from a cruiser @30km is pretty attractive.
    I consider myself to be a sovereign space holding entity, however the simple fact is that my sphere of influence rarely if ever extends beyond the optimal+falloff*2 of my ship's turrets.

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    BLA stacking nerfed through three BCS? Not really worth it imo. Just go for more range.
    Contract stuff to Seraphina Amaranth.

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