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    [Tengu, Signature Statement]
    Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
    Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
    Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
    Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Core B-Type 100MN Afterburner

    250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

    Medium Ancillary Current Router II
    Medium Ancillary Current Router II
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

    Railharpy coming to a tengu near you.

    My take on a 100mn AB Railtengu now that rail dps has been massively buffed.

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    Rail Harpy, only 3x + the dps, a tank, and sexier.

    I will be flying several of these. Looks pimp tbh.

    [Tengu, Big Brother]
    Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
    Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
    Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

    250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Ancillary Current Router II
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
    Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

    Gonna keep tweaking, just a first run of thoughts.

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    I don't really know what engagement profile you are aiming at? Chewing up solo cruisers? Is it with snakes and links only?

    With the MWD version especially, it seems like a frig can just get under your guns (if there is two frigs! thus webs fail zomg) and scram web you to death unlike the missile version. It is plausible a turreted scram web cruiser can kill you too if it somehow lands tackle (shouldn't happen I know), since it running mwd is 4x sig bloom, but close range turret tracking can be like 6x or better so it'd out track you, let alone missiles/drone users or someone running dual webs. Just feels a lot more vulnerable to missile fits with no gaps in damage coverage.

    Would be hilarious to me if it died to a linked condor, but burn-off-the-grid fu
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    The ab one would shred frigates.
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    necroing a thread

    Does anybody have a good fit for 6 link tengu that doesnt have officier co-procs?
    Or any other link t3 that can do siege and skirmish? I really need 6 links
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    [Tengu, Links]
    Caldari Navy Co-Processor
    Caldari Navy Co-Processor
    Caldari Navy Co-Processor

    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I

    Siege Warfare Link - Active Shielding II
    Siege Warfare Link - Shield Efficiency II
    Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers II
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers II
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment II
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

    Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
    Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
    Medium Ancillary Current Router I

    Tengu Defensive - Warfare Processor
    Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
    Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier

    Ought to work, pretty much a cookie-cutter linkgu. If you don't need the nullifier swap for any other prop sub and stick a CPR in the new low.

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    Ok that was fast. Thanks
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    [Tengu, Signature Statement]
    Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
    Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
    Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
    Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Core B-Type 100MN Afterburner

    250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

    Medium Ancillary Current Router II
    Medium Ancillary Current Router II
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

    Railharpy coming to a tengu near you.

    My take on a 100mn AB Railtengu now that rail dps has been massively buffed.
    Drop poly rig for another acr, allows you to use gist abs, you save isk and go faster in the end anyways.

    [Tengu, rlml]
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Republic Fleet Nanofiber Structure
    Republic Fleet Nanofiber Structure

    Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner
    Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
    True Sansha Small Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

    Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
    Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
    Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
    Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
    Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

    Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
    Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
    Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
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    So, i think it might be time to bring the 100mn hml tengu back out of retirement. Quick heads up, non of this stuff has been tested yet and it all features hg snakes.

    So, the tengu actually has an extremely good agility already, meaning that unlike the 100mn legion it can function mobility wise without any outside influence (assuming snakes), the base agility of a 100mn fit with 2 nanos and a rig and a em-705 is 15 seconds (im not sure if that is the implant to use) which is good enough (14.4 was the prenerf agility on the thing with links (i.e the implant)). The speed isnt bad either, so mobility wise this actually works ok without any links. So i think the ship as an archetype would work well.

    Im basiely torn between 2 approaches. You could either go the "old" way which leaves you with 2.8km/s and a 15 sec agility (or 2.85 and 14.5), a 30km point and a web while using hams or hmls or the "new" way which would involve using the link sub system which gives you 1 skirmish links at the cost of 50% shield boost amount and a midslot.

    Which is the question, 1 more mid + more tank vs the ability to point to 45km and web out to 22km, or alternatively an extra 700m/s which could be very usefull. The point range especially allows you to fly the ship in a way more controlled way. But the downside is that you are forced to use hmls (because you just dont have the rigs to make hams work) and you lose slot 10, so 5% damage.


    Next idea i had was to drop the cap booster, it is just neuting resitance, the ship can permashield boost for over 4 minutes as such, the cap is amazing and specially on the link fit you need all the mids you can get. Which made me reconsider the old verson too, getting 2 mids allows for a lot more playground.


    This led me to consider this:

    [Tengu, New Setup 1]
    Republic Fleet Nanofiber Structure
    Republic Fleet Nanofiber Structure
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

    Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner
    Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
    Republic Fleet Target Painter

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

    The big problem with HMLs is that their application is shit, but with the painter and the mgc you basicely get full application vs normal cruisers. And even vs stuff like a hg snaked, heating orthrus without an lse you still do over 50% of your normal dps (more with precision).


    Which brings me to the next point, for some reason in eft precision hmls seem very good. You get a lot of application still vs frigates, you can even hurt ceptors somewhat and the dps drop is really rather small. You do 250 dps vs a mwding merlin, which really isnt bad at all (that is outside of web range).

    And with a blue pill your tank isnt all that bad (you have to keep in mind that a rlml orthrus does half its dps if it shoots faction vs a heating 100mn tengu).

    The mids also could be used for extra scram + web, more tank (i.e an invuln).


    The next thing to consider is the slot 7 implant, by going - bcu + third nano but using hm-705 instead you lose a bit of dps (39) but gain 100m/s and 0.2 agility. Making your already mobile setup even more mobile. Im not sure which is better here.


    Now, to the new tengu

    [Tengu, 100mn selflinks]

    Republic Fleet Nanofiber Structure
    Republic Fleet Nanofiber Structure
    Republic Fleet Ballistic Control System
    Republic Fleet Ballistic Control System
    Damage Control II

    Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
    Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script

    Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
    Skirmish Command Burst II, Rapid Deployment Charge

    Medium Ancillary Current Router II
    Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II

    Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Tengu Defensive - Warfare Processor
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer

    This tanks a bit less (200 vs 300 preeverything) and it loses a midslot so some application and because i put a dcu in there it does less dps.


    But, the extra range on the point is extremely helpfull, i know this from experience. In eve the difference between staying within 30km and staying within 38km is gigantic. It increases your tank by a ton and it makes not losing point so much easier. Alternatively the speed bonus is very nice at boosting your tank or for catching a target. And if you fly as a duo or trio of these the link version becomes (obviously) even better, 3 tengus with 2 skirmish links and 1 tank link will be amazing.


    Questions here are, dual nano dual bcu + dcu +em-705 for tank/ehp, dual nano triple bcu em-705 for the dps, triple nano - dual bcu hm-705 for a bit more mobility and dps but a loss of tank?

    Next question would be if the skirmish implant is worth the trade of 5% rof which rf-1005 gives you, you get 0.8km of web range and 1.6km of point range or 250m/s. But on the other side its 24 dps (or 22 if you go with em-705). I think im probably going to go with the skirmish implant but not sure.


    Next we have application, the painter and the guidance computer are basicely the same but the computer is less micro so im sticking with that. But just using a invul would eliminate a lot of the tankyness issues but at the price of dps.






    My current thought it that im going to use triple nano + hm-705. But im still not sure which tengu to choose, the tank loss on the link one is quite a lot, but the point range is SO nice. Pretty sure ill have to fly both a lot on the test server to see if the point range is needed right now and if the tank does hold up.


    Any thoughts or corrections or new fits or other ideas i might have missed?
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    Would the HML tengu with precisions or faction ammo be better in a bonused enivorement like black hole fx wh space?

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    Plug in the wh effect into eft, run a couple of graphs vs the ships you usually fight and see.
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