[PVP] Tengu

[Lorkin Desal]

I'll start off with the 100mn HML variant. Useful for soloing.

[Tengu, 100mn]
Damage Control II
Reactor Control Unit II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Medium Capacitor Booster II
Photon Scattering Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Core A-Type 100MN Afterburner
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix

Dont have stats on this at the moment, however assume you would use blue pills and HG Crystals as well. Its a monster.

Edit: forgot the disruptor :E

[Rudolf Miller]

[Tengu, 100mn standard]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II
Chelm's Modified Reactor Control Unit

Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Imperial Navy Medium Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

copy-pasta from the original 100mn standard. however, i do prefer the med booster myself.

[Lex Fasces]

[Tengu, pew pew]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner
Warp Disruptor II
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

like a big bad drake that goes 2k with snakes.

[Bazman]

I was experimenting with ECM Tengu fits for roaming shield nanogangs before and had mixed results. Pro's were that it kept up fine with the gang, generally contributed more applied DPS to the gang and did ok for jamming out tackle. Con's were that the multispec was generally unreliable, was too short ranged (33km optimal), even for a bonused module and that perhaps the ship was a little bit *too* agile, sometimes I was warping off and landing before the rest of the gang, which could lead to some welp moments. Going to experiment with the following setup when the situation arises;

[Tengu, ECM Tengu]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I
Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Obfuscation Manifold
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Rifling Launcher Pattern
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

460dps to 78km with Fury missiles, 2km/s overheated MWD, 3.8s Align time. 67km on racial jammers, which allows proper jamming support from long range. 109k EHP and lasts 8 mins with all mods running.

Is there a better choice for racial jammers? Also I'm coming to think that perhaps the ship is slightly overtanked considering that I'll have scimitar support so could possibly drop 1 of the extenders for another jammer. Dropping an extender drops the EHP to 80k, yet it still has 18.5k shields.

[Dwergi]

Depends who you're fighting. Minnie jammers make sense most of the time - if you're not jamming Scimis you can jam DPS. Amarr is pointless up north. Caldari generally neither contributes that much DPS or logi to make it worth fitting as standard (I'd rather you jam a cane than a Drake).

[pBump]

So I've seen the AB fit that PL uses (massive passive tank, 6 launchers)

Love the DPS on dat fit, but having a hell of a time getting 6 launchers and 3 BC II's on a MWD fit.

Can it be done?

[Lex Fasces]

So I've seen the AB fit that PL uses (massive passive tank, 6 launchers)

Love the DPS on dat fit, but having a hell of a time getting 6 launchers and 3 BC II's on a MWD fit.

Can it be done?

post that PL fit?

[TimMc]

So I've seen the AB fit that PL uses (massive passive tank, 6 launchers)

Love the DPS on dat fit, but having a hell of a time getting 6 launchers and 3 BC II's on a MWD fit.

Can it be done?

PL tengu losses this month are all pve or 100ab fit with 5 launchers.

Same for march and feb, couple covert ops fits but nothing interesting.


Don't think its possible to fit 6 launchers with anything except a med booster and mwd, so PvE. Massive passive tank is out of the question. Its the grid on that damn 6th launcher sub.

[Pacefalm]

So I've seen the AB fit that PL uses (massive passive tank, 6 launchers)

Love the DPS on dat fit, but having a hell of a time getting 6 launchers and 3 BC II's on a MWD fit.

Can it be done?

[Tengu, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Reactor Control Unit II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

6 launchers: check
MW check
3 BCU II: check
Massive passive tank: ... well it's a passive tank.

DPS is pretty good: 634 (746 heat).
Tank is okay'ish: 89k EHP, 110 peak recharge. Pretty low resists though so hope you can speedtank / don't get primaried.
Goes 1287 (1821 heat) m/s.
MWD lasts just over 2 mins if permarunning.

If you use a 3% PG implant and upgrade at least 1 BCU to CN BCU, you can fit 2x LSE II for better tank and damage. If you're shitting ISK you can also upgrade to T2 ACR and not need the implant.

It fits the description but the cap mod+rig kind of lower the appeal.
Edit: derp I ofcourse mean PG ^ mod + rig

[Ashigari]

[Tengu, ECM Tengu]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I
Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Obfuscation Manifold
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Rifling Launcher Pattern
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

is that the too agile fit? if so you could try to drop the nano for a DC and extender for another ECM. very interesting idea, might try that fit on my alt sometime as support for shield gangs

[Bazman]

My original fit that I tried was this;

[Tengu, ECM Tengu]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Dread Guristas ECM Multispectral Jammer

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Rifling Launcher Pattern
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Aligned in 3.1 secs, massively overtanked and the DG Multispec was underwhelming, failing to jam even Dramiels at times so the ship was essentially just another Drake that would land in fights first (not so good :P)

[Ashigari]

losing the nano for a DC II and one extender for 3rd ECM gets you 94k EHP and 4.5s align time. too slow for nano? might work with slower shield gangs though and adds more ECM

[Phrynobatrachus]

post that PL fit?

[Tengu, thundercat cheap]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Invulnerability Field II
Explosion Dampening Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Photon Scattering Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst



[Tengu, thundercat pimp]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Dread Guristas Explosion Dampening Field
Photon Scattering Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

[Dodgy Past]

[Tengu, thundercat pimp]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Dread Guristas Explosion Dampening Field
Photon Scattering Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Fixed; pimp is with T2 rigs

[Podcat]

[Tengu, ECM Tengu]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I
Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Obfuscation Manifold
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Rifling Launcher Pattern
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

seems way too over tanked (depending on rest of gang, but tengus make bad primaries), I would do this to get more ewar power out of it:



dps is anemic anyway so losing a BCU isnt that big a deal. 80km optimal jammers is pretty nice. values are with ganglinked tengu. I assume you have a gang booster when using this and if you need more EHP at 80km from enemy an ECM tengu is prob not worth bringing to a fight of that scale.

that said, a rook has 30%+ more jamming power with 10km less optimal (2 range rigs) and same dps, about same speed (worse agility) but much worse EHP with same jammer amount (30k vs 80k... but quite a bit cheaper, so not sure its worth it)

[Rudolf Miller]

Whoever at CCP decided it would be a good idea to put an ewar bonus on an offensive sub needs their face smashed in.

[Bazman]

The gang that i've been taking that ecm tengu to usually ranges between 10 and 15 pilots so bringing at least 400 dps is pretty useful. But I like that 5 jammer setup, i've been using a different setup lately with 3 jammers and haven't really had a good fight to test it out.

Also Rook = primary and squishy. The whole idea with this setup is something durable, speedy and offering ECM support, the strenght of the jammers being less than the Rooks in the end doesn't really matter, it's all about sticking your jammer on something during a fight (Usually enemy scims) and forgetting about it while you slug it out with the rest of the gang.

I really like the Tengu, in every setup now. What the fuck I like a caldari ship whats going on

[Fayceoff]

Seen this variant of the 100mn tengu a few times recently, using passive tank for much cheaper and easier fitting.

[Tengu, 100mn passive]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner
Large Shield Extender II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

[Lex Fasces]

tempted to try this out as an upgrade to podla style drake


[Tengu, pew pew]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Shield Extender II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

only realy seeing the speed and align time as better than the dual web drake tbh. no drones and one web will make you cry against frigs but it has better ehp and more survivability. (this is for solo small gang work in lowsec btw)

[teds]

tempted to try this out as an upgrade to podla style drake


[Tengu, pew pew]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Shield Extender II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

only realy seeing the speed and align time as better than the dual web drake tbh. no drones and one web will make you cry against frigs but it has better ehp and more survivability. (this is for solo small gang work in lowsec btw)

Going off this the only changes i can make are;

[Tengu, pew pew improved?]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disruptor II
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
True Sansha Stasis Webifier

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

Pros;
more dps (568vs473)
dual webs
slightly quicker align (.2s faster w/MWD on @5.1s)

Cons;
10k less EHP :/
100m/s slower on o/h MWD
T2 rigs