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    Spent some more time with the PA, Pulse, Mcannon fit in a combat zone. Starting to love it more and more. Pitch speeds while boosting/FAoff are silly, getting the hang of it having less and less issues maneuvering into a favorable position. Ran into one hostile vulture who was quickly ran off. I'll see if I can program that two stage trigger properly this weekend. Overall getting more and more pleased with this ship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torashuu View Post
    Spent some more time with the PA, Pulse, Mcannon fit in a combat zone. Starting to love it more and more. Pitch speeds while boosting/FAoff are silly, getting the hang of it having less and less issues maneuvering into a favorable position. Ran into one hostile vulture who was quickly ran off. I'll see if I can program that two stage trigger properly this weekend. Overall getting more and more pleased with this ship.
    Love stage. So, unfortunately, i'm unable to determine it's fang porn rating for you.

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    All gimballing turned out to indeed be a bit too much of a disadvantage, switched out a few things as to end up with following fit:
    [Fer-de-Lance]
    H: 4A/F Plasma Accelerator
    M: 2E/F Pulse Laser
    M: 2E/F Pulse Laser
    M: 2F/G Multi-cannon
    M: 2F/G Multi-cannon
    U: 0E Kill Warrant Scanner
    U: 0I Chaff Launcher
    U: 0C Shield Booster
    U: 0C Shield Booster
    U: 0C Shield Booster
    U: 0C Shield Booster

    BH: 1I Lightweight Alloy
    RB: 5A Power Plant
    TM: 5A Thrusters
    FH: 4A Frame Shift Drive
    EC: 4A Life Support
    PC: 6A Power Distributor
    SS: 4B Sensors
    FS: 3C Fuel Tank (Capacity: 8)

    5: 5A Shield Generator
    4: 4D Hull Reinforcement Package
    4: 4A Fuel Scoop
    2: 2D Frame Shift Drive Interdictor
    1: 1C Advanced Discovery Scanner
    ---
    Shield: 703.15 MJ
    Power : 16.72 MW retracted (82%)
    22.03 MW deployed (108%)
    20.40 MW available
    Cargo : 0 T
    Fuel : 8 T
    Mass : 437.6 T empty
    445.6 T full
    Range : 13.00 LY unladen
    13.00 LY laden
    Price : 91,137,587 CR
    Re-Buy: 4,556,879 CR @ 95% insurance


    Also, as funny as vultures are in PvE, they cannot compare to FDL in PvP, especially many vs many.

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    Can confirm from functioning as a wingman that Tor's FDL is a beast in PvP.

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    fuggit, decided to get one, but a question

    size 2 or size 4 fuel scoop ?

    the latter lets me stuff a shield cell bank and a cargo hold on, but you spend a lot of time scooping...

    going with a horrible rating size 4 to begin with.
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    fer de lance really comes into its own with the plasmagun. before that its kinda meh

    oh and biggest scoop always when travelling around, just refit when you get to a system where you intend to combat lots
    Last edited by Hoggbert; March 23 2015 at 08:42:41 PM. Reason: answering liare

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    the huge gun is nigh impossible to aim onto anything smaller than a Anaconda.

    but my god that engine noise, it's not a ship it's a Stygian monster from the depths of time and space that will consume your soul.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    What do you have on the Huge hardpoint? Takes a bit of practice but anything up from Asp is fairly easy to hit, and even vipers/cobras get to feel the purple pulse of death from time to time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torashuu View Post
    What do you have on the Huge hardpoint? Takes a bit of practice but anything up from Asp is fairly easy to hit, and even vipers/cobras get to feel the purple pulse of death from time to time.
    C4 fixed carrot cannon along with gimbaled pulses currently.

    its a pretty bad ship with E class modules on it (except B5 shield gen, yirrr!), but i cant really afford any upgrades without going below the insurance threshold, still it's good enough for RES work for now, plus it's quite pretty and has the most awesomesauce engine sounds i have heard in the game so far.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Just be sure to practice your FAoff, as in, FAoff boost-turn/flip 180. You'll need it to stay on top of people in vultures. The FDL ends up having infinite boost so you should (eventually) have no problem keeping up.

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    i fly my Eagle as FA Off, all the time to get a hang of it in a cheap to replace boat docking is tricky though, combat is less so if you have played with Newtonian physics such as the way IWAR does it.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Main important part of FAoff is that in FAoff there are no brakes, and when boosting you hit maximum pitch rate (which is above and beyond FAon max pitch rate) practically instantly. The FDL pitches poorly in FAon, but is right quick in FAoff. And since you have infinite boost, for me, it ends up being the main way to turn around on someone. The fighting style you end up with is something boom/zoom ish. So you basically keep jousting anything that can outmaneuver you, with your shields you will outlast pretty much everything and you get nice steady approaches to land that purple blob of death. The bigger stuff that you might not want to go head to head with you can outmaneuver in the old fashioned way.

    So far though it seems 80% of FDL combat is running someone down while they try to charge their FSD.

    ps. IWAR is brilliant, can't be stated often enough.
    Last edited by Torashuu; March 24 2015 at 09:39:31 AM.

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    quite, i can almost-but-not-quite turn inside a Eagle with FAoff in the FDL, i expect to be able to once i get the thrusters upgraded.

    it's quite a disgusting craft, but i still have to figure out how to work that huge hardpoint down below, i wish i could just get a size 4 missile launcher or something, but as it is now i use it mostly on things like anacondas in hit-and-run type attacks
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Class 4 plasma, accept no substitute. Cannon is only good vs subsystems and with just 4 class 2 mounts you will struggle vs shields on the bigger craft. As a bonus, a well aimed plasma bolt does pretty much the same to a subsystem as a cannon shell. And the plasma is more consistent in doing hull damage as well. Then you get to use your 4x med slots for ripping apart the small-fry and if the target is big enough that they become lackluster you have the BFG. You could fit a class 3 laser, but the power requirements are rather close and I found it taxes the capacitor just a bit too much for consistent use.

    On the main forums you see people complaining about the punch of a FDL, and almost all of them only tried the huge cannon. Huge plasma works because anything you want to hit with it is too slow to dodge at close range.

    Singular vultures are easy prey, FDLs are tough mainly because they can maintain distance are are really tough. Clippers are dead squishy, anacondas hopeless. Only haven't fought a python yet. (Well, one escorted by a FDL and Vulture, which was a bit much solo so had to bug out.)

    tl;dr A huge hardpoint is best used vs big ships, and against big ships you need to kill shields & subsystems. Plasma does both, so get that.
    Last edited by Torashuu; March 24 2015 at 10:29:03 AM.

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    i dont have enough spacebux yet, and the vulture's looks offended me enough to replace it ASAP.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Well, fully expect to miss the vultures firepower once the novelty wears off.

    The only valid reason to mount a cannon I can think off is so you can fit A rated shield boosters. Usefull if you're playing bait.
    Last edited by Torashuu; March 24 2015 at 12:59:45 PM.

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      Spoiler:

    [Fer-de-Lance]
    H: 4A/F Plasma Accelerator
    M: 2F/G Pulse Laser
    M: 2F/G Pulse Laser
    M: 2F/G Pulse Laser
    M: 2F/G Pulse Laser
    U: 0I Point Defence
    U: 0D Kill Warrant Scanner
    U: 0D Shield Booster
    U: 0D Shield Booster
    U: 0D Shield Booster
    U: 0D Shield Booster

    BH: 1I Military Grade Composite
    RB: 5A Power Plant
    TM: 5A Thrusters
    FH: 4A Frame Shift Drive
    EC: 4A Life Support
    PC: 6A Power Distributor
    SS: 4A Sensors
    FS: 3C Fuel Tank (Capacity: 8)

    5: 5A Shield Generator
    4: 4E Cargo Rack (Capacity: 16)
    4: 4A Fuel Scoop
    2: 1C Advanced Discovery Scanner
    1: 1C Detailed Surface Scanner
    ---
    Shield: 627,13 MJ
    Power : 16,16 MW retracted (79 %)
    21,59 MW deployed (106 %)
    20,40 MW available
    Cargo : 16 T
    Fuel : 8 T
    Mass : 449,1 T empty
    473,1 T full
    Range : 12,67 LY unladen
    12,24 LY laden
    Price : 137.711.983 CR
    Re-Buy: 6.885.599 CR @ 95% insurance

    been looking at something a bit like that in the far far future when i got the dosh for it, my current goal i am working towards basically.
    the scanners are there because :whynot:

    thinking of dropping boosters and cargo for shield cells but on the other hand... bleh i mostly play solo PVE anyway.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    then you're better off in a vulture tbh, fer-de-lance is better for pvp, but only so so pve without the plasma, with plasma its a fraction better vs anacondas and pythons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoggbert View Post
    then you're better off in a vulture tbh, fer-de-lance is better for pvp, but only so so pve without the plasma, with plasma its a fraction better vs anacondas and pythons
    the FDL is not offensively ugly like the vulture, it has a awesome engine sound and a nice cockpit. (track-IR peasant currently, upgrading to VR set later in the year)

    plus i am getting a accelerator for it down the line somewhere, i didn't like the vulture much to be honest even with gimbaled guns
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    The FDLs shields are massive, especially with boosters, even the A4 SCB only refills a fraction of the total shields. I feel its only really worth bringing them if you power them down by default, either switching off the PA or retracting when you use em. If I am in dire need of a SCB means my shields are failing and I cannot go into supercruise which means I am fleeing, no need for weapons.

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